Hate to be a spoil sport but http://www.independence.seul.org/ brings up the apache page. How come it's anounced and not up yet ? -- "So let me get this straight," one IBM lawyer said. "We're doing a deal with . . . a Web site?" http://www.forbes.com/forbes/98/0810/6209094a.htm For context. mailto:forgeltd@usa.net http://www.independence.seul.org