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Blocking child pornography exits

From: Ron Wireman <ronwireman@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: 21-Jul-2007 04:48
Subject: Re: Blocking child pornography exits
To: Scott Bennett <bennett@xxxxxxxxxx>

On 21/07/07, Scott Bennett < bennett@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
     On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:26:22 -0400 "Ron Wireman" <ronwireman@xxxxxxxxx>

>I'm not sure what you mean.  While it is not the intent of the EFF,

     Well, because you top-posted, rather than inserting your comments
into the message to which you responded, it's not clear to me which part
of that message you didn't understand.

>tor is frequently used for all sorts of nefarious and perverted
>purposes relating to child pornography.  The EFF takes measures to

     I'm curious to know how you have determined that to be the case.

 It seems rather self evident to me.

>block spam, which is less of a problem than child abuse, so it should

     Please give an example of how either EFF as an organization or the
tor software project blocks either spam, a form of pollution of USENET
newsgroups, or massmail, which is what you most likely meant.

By default, tor blocks exits to port 25. 

neither EFF as an organization nor its tor project do anything of the
sort.  The closest thing I can think of that the tor project does is to
redistribute someone else's package (i.e., privoxy) as part of a self-
installing software bundle that includes tor, privoxy, and TorButton
for MS Windows systems.  But that's just a courtesy convenience for
Windows users, the vast majority of whom are not particularly savvy
about installing or maintaining networking software packages.  privoxy
is not produced by the tor project.

>also take measures to block child pornography.

     Again, you're are suggesting that an anonymizing software project take
on a several-hundred-million-dollar-per-year morality (or law, depending upon
what country you live in) enforcement project.

It's not about morality; it's about protecting children.  I didn't ask anyone to create any sort of anonymizing network, but since the tor group did, it's incumbent upon them to make sure it's used properly and that includes insuring it isn't used to harm children in the U.S. or elsewhere.  Otherwise, all they've done is unleash a paedophilic monster in a Chuck E. Cheese restoraunt.

     Look.  You have the tool to set your own exit policy in the ExitPolicy
statement(s) in the torrc file.  If you think that's too much work, then don't
run an exit server.  Your exit policy is your responsibility.  Don't expect
others to figure out what sort of policy you want and then to expend enormous
amounts of resources to implement it for you.
>On 7/21/07, Scott Bennett < bennett@xxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
>>      On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:03:40 -0400 "Ron Wireman" <ronwireman@xxxxxxxxx >
>> wrote:
>> >Why doesn't the EFF implement an option like 'no_exit_cp="YES"' for
>> >server configurations that would allow people to block child
>> >pornography?  I wish to run a tor exit node but, having been molested
>>      Surely you jest!  It is not a function of the tor project to
>> periodically
>> search and evaluate the entire worldwide web to maintain a data base of
>> sites
>> that do not meet your requirements.  If there are sites for which you wish
>> to
>> deny exit service, then you are welcome to put them into your ExitPolicy
>> statements in your torrc file yourself.  That's why the ExitPolicy statement
>> exists, i.e., so that you can establish your own exit policy.
>> >as a child, will not do so until such a feature exists.
>>      Laziness?
>> >
>> >Thanks.
>> >
>>      No hay de que. :-)
     And, seriously, please don't top-post.  It makes the thread difficult
to follow.

                                  Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG
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