Re: [tor-talk] Using Mumble with Tor

[David Huerta <huertanix@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:58 PM, adrelanos <adrelanos@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> David Huerta:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I've put together a guide on how to use Mumble (TCP only!) with Tor if
> > anyone would find that sort of thing handy:
> >
> http://huertanix.tumblr.com/post/55261352264/location-anonymous-voice-communication-a-step-by-step
> .
>
> Thanks for doing that. Seems you're good at writing tutorials. Maybe we
> can share/remix? Under which license is your tutorial?
>
>
Just added a CC-BY 3.0 badge to the post, feel free to remix/share/sell/etc.


> Some time ago I wrote about anonymous Voip as well, although its a bit
> Whonix specific, since the confidence of not leaking anything comes from
> the Whonix design. Many other points are portable though, it also
> includes using Voip clients/ZRTP.
>
> I recommended using a hidden service as mumble server.
>
> https://whonix.org/wiki/Voip
>
>
A mumble server as a hidden instance is something I thought about but I
couldn't figure out where to start at the time. Glad there's some
documentation on it though, I'll take a look! A few friends of mine have
been experimenting with mumble over tor a lot so we'd definitely be
interested in spending some time trying out a Whonix mumble hidden service
setup.


> > * Assuming it can be detected after being filtered/optimized to a pulp,
> > the hum of the mains frequency of the electrical grid might tip off
> > which country you're in based in.
>
> Yes, and a voice recording of yours leads straight to you (voice
> recognition)? I assume the voice of every person has made a
> non-anonymous call and been sampled at least once (PRISM), probable a
> sane assumption. Comparing that with a voice sample from the anonymous
> server, and its no longer anonymous.
>
> In conclusion, I think the only safe use cases for Voip or Tor are
> location hiding while not being anonymous; hiding who is talking to
> whom; and talking to people you trust while hiding that you are talking
> to them and your locations from outside observers.
>

That's roughly what I meant by location-anonymity, but I realize I never
really explained the term in my post; I've added an addendum to the post
which explains that and lists potential issues mentioned here and in the
HeatSync Labs mailing list.

-- 
david [.dh] huerta
davidhuerta.me

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin)
Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org
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=mmiq
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
_______________________________________________
tor-talk mailing list
tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk