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Addendum III(this is the end for now)Re: Addendem II Re: Addendum Re: The legal basis for Service monitoring Title 18 Section 2702.6A Re: Why TOR Operators SHOULD always sniff their exit traffic...



and furthermore :)


TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

                           PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 121--STORED WIRE AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS AND TRANSACTIONAL RECORDS ACCESS

Sec. 2702. Voluntary disclosure of customer communications or records


(3) a provider of remote computing service or electronic communication service to the public shall not knowingly divulge a record or other information pertaining to a subscriber to or customer of such service (not including the contents of communications covered by paragraph (1) or (2)) to any governmental entity.


(b) Exceptions for disclosure of communications.--A provider described in subsection (a) may divulge the contents of a communication--
(1) to an addressee or intended recipient of such communication or an agent of such addressee or intended recipient;
(2) as otherwise authorized in section 2517, 2511(2)(a), or 2703 of this title;
(3) with the lawful consent of the originator or an addressee or intended recipient of such communication, or the subscriber in the case of remote computing service;
(4) to a person employed or authorized or whose facilities are used to forward such communication to its destination;
(5) as may be necessarily incident to the rendition of the service or to the protection of the rights or property of the provider of that service; or
(6) to a law enforcement agency--
(A) if the contents--
(i) were inadvertently obtained by the service provider; and
(ii) appear to pertain to the commission of a crime;


(B) if required by section 227 of the Crime Control Act of 1990; or
(C) if the provider reasonably believes that an emergency involving immediate danger of death or serious physical injury to any person requires disclosure of the information without delay.



please note section 2702 section 3b4,5,6Ai,ii B and C..


Uh Chris... maybe you being technical manager at eff should actually study title 18 code pertaining to ECPA and ask the EFF attorney what it means if you are that unclear about the law. These are just what I could come up with in about 30 minutes on access.gpo.gov. Or perhaps you live in a parallel
USA where persons and/or corporations who actually provide services are NOT allowed to defend their service and property
against misuse or criminal actions. The laws above are what govern the USA that I operate in for now...



I am NOT a lawyer... sheesh...

If I had a penny for every time I have heard this expression , then someone starts to spout legal advice...


All of you who have been following this discussion ARE well advised to take the above to their OWN Specialist in ECPA law
(I suggest an ex us attorney might be particularly fit for this kind of advice and describe completely what actions you are planning to take.) The above is NOT construed to be legal advice BUT IS what the law actually says...



a tor operator

ps sorry to all about the long US centric discussions about legal exceptions to ECPA et al




tor wrote:

And in addition :)

from the U.S. Code On line via GPO Access
[wais.access.gpo.gov]
[Laws in effect as of January 7, 2003]
[Document not affected by Public Laws enacted between
 January 7, 2003 and February 12, 2003]
[*CITE*: *18USC2701*]


TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

                            PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 121--STORED WIRE AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS AND TRANSACTIONAL RECORDS ACCESS

Sec. 2701. Unlawful access to stored communications

(a) Offense.--Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section whoever--
(1) intentionally accesses without authorization a facility through which an electronic communication service is provided; or
(2) intentionally exceeds an authorization to access that facility;


and thereby obtains, alters, or prevents authorized access to a wire or electronic communication while it is in electronic storage in such system shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this section.
(b) Punishment.--The punishment for an offense under subsection (a) of this section is--
(1) if the offense is committed for purposes of commercial advantage, malicious destruction or damage, or private commercial gain--
(A) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, in the case of a first offense under this subparagraph; and
(B) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than two years, or both, for any subsequent offense under this subparagraph; and


(2) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than six months, or both, in any other case.

(c) Exceptions.--Subsection (a) of this section does not apply with respect to conduct authorized--
(1) by the person or entity providing a wire or electronic communications service;
(2) by a user of that service with respect to a communication of or intended for that user; or
(3) in section 2703, 2704 or 2518 of this title.


Please note Exception C1 above...


comment requested by EFF Attorneys..


A tor operator

tor wrote:

In addition I came across these, as I quite often have acted under color of law when investigating computer intrusions/assisting law enforcement investigations. these are also very interesting

TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

                           PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 119--WIRE AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS INTERCEPTION AND INTERCEPTION OF ORAL COMMUNICATIONS

Sec. 2511. Interception and disclosure of wire, oral, or electronic communications prohibited

  (2)(i)

and 3a


(i) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter for a person acting under color of law to intercept the wire or electronic communications of a computer trespasser transmitted to, through, or from the protected computer, if--
(I) the owner or operator of the protected computer authorizes the interception of the computer trespasser's communications on the protected computer;
(II) the person acting under color of law is lawfully engaged in an investigation;
(III) the person acting under color of law has reasonable grounds to believe that the contents of the computer trespasser's communications will be relevant to the investigation; and
(IV) such interception does not acquire communications other than those transmitted to or from the computer trespasser.


(3)(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this subsection, a person or entity providing an electronic communication service to the public shall not intentionally divulge the contents of any communication (other than one to such person or entity, or an agent thereof) while in transmission on that service to any person or entity other than an addressee or intended recipient of such communication or an agent of such addressee or intended recipient.
(b) A person or entity providing electronic communication service to the public may divulge the contents of any such communication--
(i) as otherwise authorized in section 2511(2)(a) or 2517 of this title;
(ii) with the lawful consent of the originator or any addressee or intended recipient of such communication;
(iii) to a person employed or authorized, or whose facilities are used, to forward such communication to its destination; or
(iv) which were inadvertently obtained by the service provider and which appear to pertain to the commission of a crime, if such divulgence is made to a law enforcement agency.



note item iv


again comment is invited from REAL EFF Lawyers as we are talking about the ECPA now and this is actually what the text of the law says.


  a tor operator






tor wrote:

Hi All,


BTW Chris... you may wish to examine with your EFF Attorney the following section of USC Code Title 18


http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=browse_usc&docid=Cite:+18USC2511


to wit:

TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

                            PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 119--WIRE AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS INTERCEPTION AND INTERCEPTION OF ORAL COMMUNICATIONS

Sec. 2511. Interception and disclosure of wire, oral, or electronic communications prohibited

(2)(a)(i) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter for an operator of a switchboard, or an officer, employee, or agent of a provider of wire or electronic communication service, whose facilities are used in the transmission of a wire or electronic communication, to intercept, disclose, or use that communication in the normal course of his employment while engaged in any activity which is a necessary incident to the rendition of his service or to the protection of the rights or property of the provider of that service, except that a provider of wire communication service to the public shall not utilize service observing or random monitoring except for mechanical or service quality control checks.

Note the phrase "to the protection of the rights or property of the provider of that service".
Note the prohibition of service observing/Random Monitoring applies to wire communication services only
(IE telephone companies). If current case law contradicts this please feel free to inform us all via the with specific cases etc...


please chris have the EFF lawyers comment on this aspect of ECPA. I am sure all us on the list would indeed be fascinated.



   a tor operator




Chris Palmer wrote:

Parker Thompson wrote:

>I'm not so interested in specific legal advice, more a high level
>discussion of when it is good to be a bad guy, and when you're being
>bad for the sake of being good what are the ethical considerations
>and, with respect to Tor (it'll differ case to case) legal
>implications of doing so.

>I would think this would be a perfect discussion to have in the
>context of Tor, and perhaps the kind of thing the EFF could turn into
>a compelling policy paper to guide the development of this and other
>projects.  Further, I see this as far preferable to letting operators
>develop their own best practices on an ad-hoc basis.


I understand the need, and I'll fly it past our lawyers to see what they
think about drafting such a policy paper. They are unlikely to make
strong, specific, forward-looking legal statements, of course.


I can tell you what I do, which I regard as reasonably safe and polite.

I run three Tor servers: one at EFF (confidence), one on a machine some
friends and I share (explosivenoodle), and one on my home DSL line
(livingcolour). confidence and explosivenoodle I run in middleman mode,
to minimize annoyance and potential liability for my employer and
friends (respectively). (EFF is considering running an exit server, but
we aren't yet.) livingcolour uses the default exit policy. All three
servers are rate-limited to about 20Kb/s because bandwidth is either
donated and I want to be nice (explosivenoodle), or limited (confidence
and livingcolour). I don't sniff traffic on any of these three hosts,
and I log at warn level, using debug level only for limited times when I
actually am trying to debug something (rarely). All three machines are
kept up-to-date and run only services I actually use.


I don't commit abuse through Tor when I use it. That's easy -- "Oops, I
didn't troll on IRC again!"


I sometimes drive around in the Tor source tree for fun and learning,
but I haven't found any security bugs. If I did, I would simply tell
Roger and Nick. I have reported a few security-irrelevant bugs (and, I
sheepishly admit, non-bugs) to R and N and they have fixed them fast.
There was once a problem with bad interaction between two configuration
directives, for example, which caused Tor not to start. Nick fixed it in
minutes.


Hence, for basic operation and examination, the existing norms of the
competent sys admin and white hat security researcher communities apply.


As for passing "bad" traffic, so far I haven't heard from my ISP about
any problems with my exit node. Maybe I'm just lucky. There are various
types of complaints, and different responses are called for in different
circumstances. Get legal counsel, possibly the EFF. See also the Legal
FAQ and our DMCA response template
(http://tor.eff.org/eff/tor-dmca-response.html). Everyone has different
responses to complaints, resulting from the specifics of their
situation, their beliefs and temperaments, the nature of the complaint,
their relationship with the complainant and with their connectivity
provider, various jursidictional issues, and so on. It's hard to make
any general a priori statements about what to do, other than "Call
EFF!". That's obviously what I would do. :)


I don't know if that helps you or answers your question. I'll state
again that the non-dangerous techniques I mentioned in my previous email
have proven helpful in finding bugs in other software products. Roger
and Nick welcome substantive bug reports, and they take security very
seriously.