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Re: [f-cpu] [Fwd: [ff] f-cpu et savannah]



> [...]
> > First, I have to present me a bit.
> > I'm a french computer science student, I study processor architecture.
> > I try to understand this project, where you are and where you go.
> Bonjour Philippe, nice to meet you.

thanks
 
> > My main problem was to gather all f-cpu information. It isn't very easy.
> > My second problem was, who works on what ?
> > who makes the architecture, the design, ..... !!! who takes decision ???
> > It's the reason of my proposition to use savannah and his task manager.
> > I think that this project need a bit of managing.
> I suggest a meta-manager who manages the management :)

why not, perhaps written with prolog :)
 
> > > >  What we really need is *one* central site which has basically
> > > > everything, *one* mailing list, and no WWW clicky-clacky GUI, please
> > > You mean seul.org?
> >
> > > That means that all the web sites should be moved, the cvs repository
> > > should be moved either and the french and german mailing-list should be
> > > closed. It also means that there might be a single point of failure
> > > which frightened whygee (that's not surprising after the yahoo
> > > problems)
> >
> > well, yes and not !!!
> 
> I'd rather not move the CVS now that we have it.  It was supposed to be
> on seul.org, but it's fine the way it is.  We can mirror it somewhere
> to avoid the SPOF, though (read-only).

the CVS is on gaos, isn't it ?
 
> The english mailing list on seul is fine, too.  There's no need to move
> it again.  The french and german lists need not be closed, but I ask
> people again and again to move important discussions to the english list.
> I feel a little bit lost here, sometimes.

yes, I don't speak often in this ML because my english is worse
than anything.
 
> There should be a single, central website that is easy to find (probably
> www.f-cpu.org) and has links to everything -- the CVS, the mailing list(s),
> websites of national organizations (like the "F-CPU Verein" in Germany)
> and so on.  Any other websites we may have should be redirected to this
> main entry point, to ease maintenance.  I really don't care on which
> host and in which country the CVS repository and the mailing lists are
> located, as long as there is a single "portal" site that leads people
> everywhere they want.

yes, I agree with you. One portal that leads to other part is nice.
But how many people have the passwd of www.f-cpu.org ?

 
> [...]
> > As I said up, I think that we (this project) need to managed more.
> > Some people works on everything, some people works on nothing.
> 
> Is that a problem?  I'm pretty glad that at least somebody works on
> something ;)

I think that the problem is that a newcomer dont know who works on what.
 
> > I have worked on another project (v2os) and it was clear that many
> > people
> > want (or need) to be led.
> 
> Sorry, but I don't like being `led'.  The very day this project is
> going to become `led' by somebody (group or individual), it's also going
> to lose one of its contributors -- me.

ok, you don't want to be led but are you sure that it's the same for 
everybody ?
 
> [...]
> > As I have proposed it on the french ML (forwarded by yg), I propose:
> > - to split this big project on sub-project
> >  * architecture (and simulator)
> >  * design
> >  * compiler
> >  * system (port linux to f-cpu processor)
> 
> I guess I have my fingers in 3 of 4 pies already -- and the only reason
> why I don't have them in all of them is that the Linux port didn't start
> yet ;)

congratulation, you're one the most active people of this project. I
know
that a project people like you.
 

> > to anwser yg's question, manuel are part of each sub-project.
> > architecture group make the architecture manual, and so on ...
> >
> > - to put a leader (manager) to each sub-project. This isn't a boss but a
> > manager. His job would be to gather information (who works on what, last
> > manual, ..).
> 
> And what is (s)he going to do with that information?

Gather them and give it to everybody. So if someone wants to work
on a file (or on a suject), he can know if someone already work on.
for example a who's who and a task list.

> > I said it again, It woun't be a boss, we are in an open source project
> > but
> > wasting time isn't nice and necessary.
> > For example:
> > architecture leader -> yg
> > design leader -> mikael
> > compiler leader -> nic0
> > system leader -> dunno
> 
> What we really need is a `speaker', a PR agent -- somebody who watches
> the project (but does not participate in any of these sub-projects),
> reports the latest-and-greatest facts and details on the website, talks to
> the outer world (companies, organizations, the press), answers questions
> and so on.

well, Isn't it a bit soon to talk to companies. As far as I know this
project
haven't got anything that work.
 
> This is something I definitely don't want to do myself.  It's not
> the sexiest job either.  But perhaps it helps cleaning up the mess --
> and it gives people like me a chance to do what we're really good at,
> without being disturbed or interrupted too much.  Find me somebody who
> keeps people off my back, and I can work wonders (like writing an
> almost complete assembler in less than a week ;).

Ok, I think that I have understood what you think.
 
> [...]
> > PS: sorry for my english, I'm a little frenchy :(
> It's much better than my french, believe me ;)
But english is most used that french :(

phil
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