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   >[1]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:pcb_tips?&#how_do_i_edit_change_an_e
   xisting_footprint



   Not a very good tutorial and it does not tell me how to move the
   positioning diamond.
   >How do I edit/change an existing footprint?
   >Copy selection to buffer ([ctrl-c]). The position of the crosshair
   will
   >determine the origin of the resulting footprint.
   Well, that does not make much sense as the crosshair moves.
   >And  I told you that you may use other tools for footprint creation.
   >I have no intention what your goal is, and for people without real
   name
   >I do not care too much.
   Whatever!  Names are optional.  I could make up a make up a name, but
   you really get hung up on a name don't you!
   I don't care that you don't care!  Fine, I won't use a name at all
   then.

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       1. Re: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID:
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       2. Re: Resistor values? (John Doty)
       3. Re: Resistor values? (DJ Delorie)
       4. Re: gEDA Wikibook ? (Stefan Salewski)
       5. Creating new symbols (Johnny Rosenberg)
       6. Re: Creating new symbols (Stephan Boettcher)
       7. Re: Creating new symbols (Stefan Salewski)
       8. Re: Creating new symbols (Stefan Salewski)
       9. Re: Creating new symbols (Stefan Salewski)
      10. Moving positioning diamond in PCB ([7]blueeagle2@xxxxxxxxx)
      11. Re: Moving positioning diamond in PCB (Stefan Salewski)
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     Message: 1
     Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:08:16 -0500
     From: John Doty <[8]jpd@xxxxxxxxx>
     Subject: Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?"
     -
            ID:     3114991
     To: gEDA user mailing list <[9]geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Message-ID: <[10]E151237E-E818-4681-B1A9-239DED13481D@xxxxxxxxx>
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     On Dec 23, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Armin Faltl wrote:
     >
     >> Of course it is fine when people try to contribute, but some
     basic
     >> understanding of concepts may be helpful.
     >>
     > my basic understanding is, that text in the title blocks is meant
     to be as large as it
     > should be, and that something named A4 should be printed on A4.
     Everybody's "basic understanding" differs. I'm with Stefan here, but
     you have different perceptions. That's how it goes with gEDA. With a
     flexible toolkit, there are going to be many approaches. This is a
     good thing.
     John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
     [11]http://www.noqsi.com/
     [12]jpd@xxxxxxxxx
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     Message: 2
     Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:15:17 -0500
     From: John Doty <[13]jpd@xxxxxxxxx>
     Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Resistor values?
     To: [14]kmk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, gEDA user mailing list
            <[15]geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Message-ID: <[16]7A84BEDC-2D7E-4F33-84F5-B4EB10D8C40C@xxxxxxxxx>
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     On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:27 PM, kai-martin knaak wrote:
     > Oh my, a symbol without a value attribute!
     > I forgot, just how light the default library symbols are.
     > Can anyone point me to a reason? Why do we distribute the
     > default library in such a crippled state?
     Because the default library is a mixed bag of symbols created by
     various people at various times in support of various design flows?
     > Yes, a default
     > library can only be a starting point and cannot fit
     > everybody's needs. But does the starting point really
     > have to be so poor that it fits virtually nobody's needs
     Well, I was using the valueless passive symbols quite a bit
     yesterday. But I guess I'm "virtually nobody".
     John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
     [17]http://www.noqsi.com/
     [18]jpd@xxxxxxxxx
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     Message: 3
     Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:53:23 -0500
     From: DJ Delorie <[19]dj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Resistor values?
     To: gEDA user mailing list <[20]geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Cc: [21]geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, [22]kmk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
     Message-ID: <[23]xnvd2j2h2k.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
     "Johnny Rosenberg" <[24]gurus.knugum@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
     > Sorry for my ignorance (English is not my main language), but what
     does
     > ?footprint? mean in this situation? I know the word, just not what
     it
     > means in this case?
     "Getting Started with PCB" has a list of terms.  I have a copy
     online
     here:
     [25]http://www.delorie.com/pcb/docs/gs/gs.html#Terminology
     footprint
        A footprint is the pattern on a circuit board to which your parts
        are attached. This includes all copper, silk, solder mask, and
     paste
        information. In other EDA programs, this may be referred to as a
        ?land pattern?. ?Footprint? sometimes is used to refer to a
        footprint file. ?Footprint? refers to the pattern; ?element?
     refers
        to the instance. For example, your layout might have four
     elements
        that use one footprint.
     ------------------------------
     Message: 4
     Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:28:27 +0100
     From: Stefan Salewski <[26]mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Subject: Re: gEDA-user: gEDA Wikibook ?
     To: [27]kmk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, gEDA user mailing list
            <[28]geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Message-ID: <1293218907.2263.29.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
     On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 16:20 +0100, kai-martin knaak wrote:
     >
     > I have to agree with timecop on this issue: The problem that
     > needs to be solved, is not connected to the file format. It
     > about finding authors. This is the big benefit of the wikibook
     > concept. The entry barrier is as low as it can possibly get.
     > Contribution is allowed to literally everyone. Click on the
     > edit button and go ahead. Not even login with a fake name
     > necessary. Wikimedia provides an environment where this
     > approach works.
     >
     > ---<)kaimartin(>--
     Not always a "low entry barrier" is a real benefit.
     In the technical world, there are good reasons for the use of
     uncommon
     screws, so that fools can not open dangerous devices.
     In the Internet world: Nearly all people now have access to
     information,
     this is great. But so many seems to think that they have to add
     silly
     content everywhere -- newsgroups, Internet platforms, blogs,
     facebook,
     all filled with silly stupid stuff, the same questions and comments
     again and again, more than one typo in each line, written without
     any
     grammar from people without real names. I really try to get not in
     close
     contact with all that dirt, but sometimes you have a problem which
     wikipedia can not explain, you have to do a google search and gets
     all
     that dirt before useful content.
     Often I have seen people new to a project, they were exited and
     started
     a tutorial about that... Some weeks later they discovered how much
     work
     it is, they stop working on it, but often the pages with headlines
     but
     no contents remain for years in the net.
     But my conclusion is not, that a fully open wiki is a bad idea for
     gEDA
     -- I am not sure.
     ------------------------------
     Message: 5
     Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:34:37 +0100
     From: "Johnny Rosenberg" <[29]gurus.knugum@xxxxxxxxx>
     Subject: gEDA-user: Creating new symbols
     To: "[30]geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <[31]geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Message-ID: <op.vn8gnzrrxqd8ry@pb-laptop>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes
     At [32]http://www.geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial the
     following is
     written:
     ?When all the edits are done, it's very important when editing
     symbols to
     do a Edit?Symbol Translate to zero before saving. Do that and then
     save
     the symbol with File?Save Page?
     My problem is that there is no ?Save Page? in the File menu.
     --
     Kind regards
     Johnny Rosenberg
     ------------------------------
     Message: 6
     Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:16:18 +0100
     From: Stephan Boettcher <[33]boettcher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Creating new symbols
     To: gEDA user mailing list <[34]geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Message-ID: <s6n8vzeswgt.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
     "Johnny Rosenberg" <[35]gurus.knugum@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
     > At [36]http://www.geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial the
     following
     > is written:
     >
     > ?When all the edits are done, it's very important when editing
     symbols
     > to do a Edit?Symbol Translate to zero before saving. Do that and
     then
     > save  the symbol with File?Save Page?
     >
     > My problem is that there is no ?Save Page? in the File menu.
     File->Save
     But first it is important to recognize that there is a difference
     between editing a symbol, and editing a schematic with a symbal
     instance
     and instance attributes.
     Until now we were talking about editing a symbol instance in a
     schematic.  To make a new symbol version, you must open the symbol
     file
     itself.  You can do that by selcting the symbol in a schematic and
     do
     Hierachy->Down Symbol (Shift-H s)
     You will discover, that the symbol still has no value attibute.  You
     can
     add it in the symbol file.  The value attribute must be promoted
     when
     the symbol is instantiated.  There are (not so?) complex rules which
     attibutes get promoted, and which not.  I think, a visible,
     unattached
     attribute, called _value_ will be promoted.
     N.B., this is a dark side of gschem in my oppinion. Which attibutes
     get
     promoted should be defined in the symbols, independently of
     visibility
     or any strange configuration settings.
     After adding the attibute, "value=?" with proper placement and
     alignment, you can do File->Save_As to save the new symbol in your
     own
     symbol collection.  Edit->Symbol_Translate will probably not be
     required, if you just do a minor modification to an existing symbol.
     Then you go back to your schematic, Hierachy->Up (Shift-H u) and
     delete
     the old symbol instance, and replace it with an instance of your
     own.
     How to reload the available symbols from a running gschem? I don't
     know.
     Usually I restart gschem, to reread the available symbols.  You'll
     first
     need to add the location of your own symbol collection to the search
     path in .gafrc or something.
     --
     Stephan
     ------------------------------
     Message: 7
     Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:24:51 +0100
     From: Stefan Salewski <[37]mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Creating new symbols
     To: gEDA user mailing list <[38]geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Message-ID: <1293225891.3042.1.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
     On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 22:16 +0100, Stephan Boettcher wrote:
     >
     > File->Save
     >
     > But first it is important
     Some of your fine explanations may be already at
     [39]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gschem_symbol_creation
     ------------------------------
     Message: 8
     Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:33:26 +0100
     From: Stefan Salewski <[40]mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Creating new symbols
     To: gEDA user mailing list <[41]geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Message-ID: <1293226406.3042.5.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
     On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 22:24 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote:
     > On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 22:16 +0100, Stephan Boettcher wrote:
     >
     > >
     > > File->Save
     > >
     > > But first it is important
     >
     > Some of your fine explanations may be already at
     >
     > [42]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gschem_symbol_creation
     >
     More is here:
     [43]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:faq-gschem#gschem_symbols
     And how we can use our own libraries may be explained here:
     [44]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:faq-gschem#gschem_configuration_c
     ustomization
     Really not too bad.
     ------------------------------
     Message: 9
     Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:43:55 +0100
     From: Stefan Salewski <[45]mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Creating new symbols
     To: gEDA user mailing list <[46]geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Message-ID: <1293227035.3042.8.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp"
     On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 20:34 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
     > At [47]http://www.geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial the
     following is
     > written:
     >
     > ?When all the edits are done, it's very important when editing
     symbols to
     > do a Edit?Symbol Translate to zero before saving.
     And that is a real problem. gschem should really be able to to this
     automatically when saving symbols.
     ------------------------------
     Message: 10
     Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:37:49 -0800
     From: [48]blueeagle2@xxxxxxxxx
     Subject: gEDA-user: Moving positioning diamond in PCB
     To: [49]geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
     Message-ID:

     <[50]AANLkTinrPtPLwdxUak5Tufn_4kBB-mx7Sp0uCugL6A2Y@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
     I was wondering if someone could tell me how to move the positioning
     diamond
     in PCB or how to move the the foot print itself so it is centered
     over the
     diamond.  Usually, I have to take several hours to move everything
     in the
     *.fp file itself.
     Z.K.
     -------------- next part --------------
       I was wondering if someone could tell me how to move the
     positioning
       diamond in PCB or how to move the the foot print itself so it is
       centered over the diamond.  Usually, I have to take several hours
     to
       move everything in the *.fp file itself.
       Z.K.
     ------------------------------
     Message: 11
     Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 02:04:20 +0100
     From: Stefan Salewski <[51]mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Moving positioning diamond in PCB
     To: gEDA user mailing list <[52]geda-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Message-ID: <1293239060.3042.64.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
     On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 16:37 -0800, [53]blueeagle2@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
     > I was wondering if someone could tell me how to move the
     positioning
     >    diamond in PCB or how to move the the foot print itself so it
     is
     >    centered over the diamond.  Usually, I have to take several
     hours to
     >    move everything in the *.fp file itself.
     >    Z.K.
     Kai-Martin gave you the link how you can make footprints from inside
     of
     PCB:
     [54]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:pcb_tips?&#how_do_i_edit_change_a
     n_existing_footprint
     >How do I edit/change an existing footprint?
     >Copy selection to buffer ([ctrl-c]). The position of the crosshair
     will
     >determine the origin of the resulting footprint.
     And  I told you that you may use other tools for footprint creation.
     I have no intention what your goal is, and for people without real
     name
     I do not care too much.
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