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Re: [tor-bugs] #3838 [TorBrowserButton]: Inform Torbutton users about TBB
#3838: Inform Torbutton users about TBB
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Reporter: mikeperry | Owner: mikeperry
Type: enhancement | Status: reopened
Priority: normal | Milestone: TorBrowserBundle 2.3.x-stable
Component: TorBrowserButton | Version:
Resolution: | Keywords: MikePerry201205
Parent: | Points: 1
Actualpoints: 1 |
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Changes (by proper):
* status: closed => reopened
* resolution: fixed =>
Comment:
Replying to [comment:10 mikeperry]:
> Replying to [comment:9 proper]:
> > Replying to [comment:8 mikeperry]:
> > > I suppose there could be people who installed it, never toggled it,
and have been assuming they've been using tor the entire time? That's
probably worse.
> >
> > Yep, this is the group I meant.
>
> Further thought reveals there is another group: People who have had
Torbutton installed by someone they know who sometimes uses their
computer. These people may be temporarily confused, until they talk to
their "expert".
Good point. One of my new suggestions will totally break Firefox and make
them needing their "expert".
> > And they perhaps used another browser or another browser profile for
their non-Tor use. That advice is widespread.
>
> Yeah, those diehards is who this is primarily targeting, I think. I
still think they're Doing It Wrong, but that doesn't mean we can't at
least make a half-assed attempt to keep them from shooting their feet off.
Agreed.
> I guess the question is: Is it worse to force the unsuspecting into
using Tor, or is it better to protect the ignorant and the stubborn? I
think everyone should be using Tor, so for me, that choice is easy ;)
Forcing into Tor is bad for some reasons, if you login into (many) banking
services using Tor, your account gets suspended. Paypal does that. That
were the worst publicity for Tor. Also exit sniffing... If you use Tor,
you must know what you are doing.
> Otherwise I think the "notify upon button click" is better than random
unidentified popup telling people to install random software. No one
should listen to something like that anyways.
Also agreed with that one. Random popups are bad.
> If there is another option, please reopen.
I indeed thought about this one... New suggestions... Might be combined,
can be used alone.
1. You know the noscript update page, which is sometimes shown, when
noscript was (auto)updated? That's not a popup and doesn't look malicious.
Many addons do it like that. You could do the same with Tor Button.
Redirect them to a site on tpo.org, make a really big red warning and
explain the situation.
2. You make a random unidentified popup and ask users to click on Tor
Button, since there is an important news. The popup shows once updated and
on each browser restart. Also with the ability to show the popup only
once.
3. Let's face it. You are abandoning/discontinuing a software project.
(Tor Button with toogle for Firefox gets taken off in favor of Tor
Browser, due to technical reasons and/or lack of manpower.) It's
impossible to make everyone happy, when doing something like that.
Prevent the Tor Button/Firefox users from connecting to any website. Tor
or non-Tor. No more internet connections. All they see is an explanation
and they have to uninstall Tor Button. The only thing, you should allow is
connecting to tpo.org, to allow downloading the net Tor Browser Bundle
over Tor (in case they are in a censored environment).
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Ticket URL: <https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/3838#comment:12>
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