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Re: [tor-dev] Agnostic Tools: Code Dev and Support For



Some interesting points, guys, thank you for sending them. Perhaps I will change my opinion one day and if I do I'm sure some of your thoughts on the subject will contribute to that.
Best,

- Bstro

p.s. I'm well aware that Proton Mail has .onion sites. I have nothing against them for having .onion websites. The same way I'm not against Qubes or even Tor for having .onion sites. As to why I use it... I'm not sure to be honest. I study and work in the security field so I guess like most of us I'm just paranoid.


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Subject: Re: [tor-dev] Agnostic Tools: Code Dev and Support For
Local Time: January 11, 2018 8:00 PM
UTC Time: January 11, 2018 8:00 PM
From: nullius@xxxxxxxx
To: tor-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

On 2018-01-10 11:22:22 at +0000, Beastr0 beastr0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
I don't really care what I work on, except I do not support .onion
websites (though I am willing to be convinced otherwise) so I would
prefer not to participate directly in their development.
[...]
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On 2018-01-11 18:36:21 at +0000, grarpamp grarpamp@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Philosophical...
Why does someone want to support and develop for Tor, or any other
overlay p2p anonymity network, or crypto, for that matter? When even a
fix to the manpage could be read and used by onion users and operators,
same for metrics, lists, or any other part of the ecosystem. Does one
fear "bad" things, association, or support "good" things?
 
I immediately observed that “Beastr0” posted via a Protonmail address.
Whereas Protonmail supports .onion, and has its own .onion:
 
https://protonirockerxow.onion/
 
https://protonmail.com/tor
 
https://protonmail.com/blog/tor-encrypted-email/
 
https://protonmail.com/blog/protonmail-tor-censorship/
 
https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/tor-setup/
 
Why does an individual who does not support .onion use a service which
promotes its own .onion?
 
Philosophical...
 
Tor supports the right to read.
 
Imagine that you were in the biggest library in the world—but a
librarian (or security camera) watched over your shoulder to observe and
record everything you read. You’d find that you self-censor your
selections. You would avoid anything too controversial—even if it were
something you wanted to read so that you could write an argument against
it! You would only read things you guess were acceptable to those
watching you. Adapt “Beastr0’s” statement, “I would prefer to not have
my real name attached” (to this controversial book).
 
That is the Web without Tor. Tor shields readers from the
shoulder-surfing librarian, the eye-tracking security cameras which
observe each word you read, the third-party analytics trackers and
“social media” buttons...
 
Tor also supports the right to write.
 
The ability to read without being tracked must be matched by the ability
to publish anonymously, or pseudonymously. The right of anonymous
publication is the cornerstone of the freedom of speech. .onion
protects that right.
 
/*
Pens... write code.
 
Code is speech. I observe that just as many fine .onion operators,
“Beastr0” desires to exercise the right to publish free speech under a
pseudonym:
 
On 2018-01-10 00:38:47 at +0000, Beastr0 beastr0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
For the time being I would prefer to not have my real name attached to
Tor so I hope you don't mind if I introduce myself as Beastro.
I love Tor and its mission.
 
I hope that “Beastr0” will reconsider his/her/its pseudonymously
expressed opposition to .onion.
 
/*

/
 
#endif /
!ON_TOPIC_FOR_DEV_LIST */
 

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