[tor-dev] SHA-3 isn't looking so hot to me (was: Draft sketch document with ideas for future crypto ops)

["Zooko O'Whielacronx" <zooko@xxxxxxxxx>]

In reference to:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2011-November/002999.html

>  FOR A HASH FUNCTION: SHA256, switching to SHA3 in 2012 when it comes
>  out.  It might be worthwhile waiting for SHA3 in most places and
>  skipping over the SHA256 stage entirely.

The AES contest resulted in a cipher that was much faster than 3-DES
and probably safer as well.

It is looking like the SHA-3 contest will result in a hash function
that is slightly slower than SHA-256, and not obviously safer either!

There are some details about the performance issue: the most efficient
SHA-3 candidates are faster than SHA-256 on large, expensive, powerful
x86_64 servers, and they are faster on long messages (more than a
couple thousand bytes). This almost certainly doesn't matter to the
tor project! (Nor, I suspect, to almost anyone else.)

I'm guessing (sorry for my ignorance about these important facts) that
tor uses secure hashes in two ways: first as the "nails" holding the
crypto together, such as in commitments, key-derivation, HMAC, and so
forth, and second to integrity-check the bulk data in chunks that are
approximately "packet sized" -- a few thousand bytes. On a powerful
x86_64 server for 4096 bytes [1], the most efficient SHA-3 candidate
(Blake-256) takes about 33,000 cycles and SHA-256 takes about 73,000.
So the difference is about 40,000 CPU cycles. Assuming that all of
this is done on a single core of a 3.4 GHz chip, that means SHA-256
takes about 12 microseconds longer to hash this 4096-byte packet.

I don't think that makes much of a difference to anyone. You'd have to
process data at more than 190,000,000 bytes per second before this
would exceed your ability to do it that with SHA-256 on a single one
of the 4 cores that come in that chip. Is that a realistic amount of
data for a single tor node to process per second in forseeable future?
(Honest question: I have no idea if it is although I would guess not.)
Anyway, if you *do* want to process more than 190 MBytes/s on a fancy
server in the next few years, you can probably just use more than one
of its cores.

On the other hand, what if someone wants to deploy Tor in a 32-bit ARM
CPU such as in a Freedom Box or in a smart phone. When it is doing
4096-byte packets, Blake-256 is actually less efficient than SHA-256
by about 36,000 cycles. Since the chip in that device is running at a
slower clock rate (maybe 800 MHz), then it takes 45 microseconds more
to hash that 4096-byte packet with Blake-256 than with SHA-256. If you
hash those packets with the slower of the two algorithms (Blake-256),
you could handle about 25 MBytes/s using 100% of the only CPU in the
system. If you used SHA-256 instead you could handle 35 MBytes/s. If
you are using say, 90% of that CPU for other tasks. such as playing a
game or watching a movie while running Tor in the background, or even
playing a movie which is streaming in over Tor live, then this is the
difference between being able to process 2.5 MBytes/s (Blake-256) and
3.5 MBytes/s (SHA-256). That seems be a difference that might matter
in practice, unlike the performance difference on expensive x86_64
servers.


Okay, what about the "not obviously safer" part? I think there was a
bit of a panic a few years ago, in the aftermath of Wang Xiaoyun's
breakthrough on SHA-1, that someone might suddenly figure out a way to
find collisions in SHA-256. This panic spurred the creation of the
SHA-3 project. However, it seems like in the intervening years nobody
has published any techniques that really threaten the safety of
SHA-256, so now I'm personally no longer so confident that SHA-3
candidates like Blake will endure longer before someone finds a fatal
flaw in them than SHA-256 will. SHA-256 has endured substantial
analysis by experts for about a decade now. Blake and its fellow
competitors have had about three years.

I'm not saying that I'm confident that SHA-256 will outlast Blake! I'm
saying it could go either way.

Bottom line: I would probably move ahead toward SHA-256 and let SHA-3
mature for a few extra years before planning to move to that, if I
were you.

Regards,

Zooko

[1] http://bench.cr.yp.to/results-hash.html
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