[tor-relays] Re: Question about middle relays and common web usage annoyances

[Richie via tor-relays <tor-relays@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi, tierce,

can confirm (germany), and afaik a known issue for quite a long time
now. Middle node here, too, and i remember being quite pissed since
during the covid heydays, most of the official governmental sites were
unreachable from an IP used for a relay. Same goes for communal sites. I
asked for a fix once (don't remember where) and received an answer so
clearly untouched by any understanding of tech and problems, i immedialy
gave up on escalating it further. My guess is "some standard blocklist
being part of the common ddos/attack protection noone knows the details
of". People from the institution don't know about details, people from
the hosting service would say "well, being more granular here will cost
more and attacs are in your own resbonsibility then", and nothing happens.

Migitation here: same as yours, luckily i can use an own proxy through
my server. Being in a webserver IP range, this one is blocked for
wikipedia editing and totally on some *cough* warez *cough* sites, so
yes, it is a bit annoying.

The more relays/middle nodes, the better. But of course, one should warn
any interested person on these known side effects (and thell them/offer
them migitation methods). I'd be happy to hear success stories on
deblocking tor relay IPs, but i doubt that i'll see this happen.

Thanks for running a relay,
Richie

Am 24.12.24 um 08:07 schrieb gniping via tor-relays:
> Hello,
>
> I'm located in Belgium.
>
> I keep two small middle relays (no exit, not even guard)…
>
> https://metrics.torproject.org/
> rs.html#details/89B4597169A9DBB171F0B4629C73C0FD55D767C7
>
> https://metrics.torproject.org/
> rs.html#details/07E3A0DC6AD4A5F07D1AF942626EBBF6CC0C72C7
>
> If I browse the web using a common browser using the basic services of
> the ISPs (no torbrowser, no tor network) and at least since may 2023,
> I've observed that some websites (banks, federal services,…) simply
> don't respond when I want to open their webpages.
>
> If I use another IP from the same locations (using vpn, ssh proxy,
> whatever), those same websites simply respond and works without issue.
>
> If I switch back to the local ISP IP, those are unreachable, and so on.
>
> If I contact those ISPs or the banks IT services, for them there are no
> problem.
>
> For me, it's clear that hosting simple middle relays puts my ISPs IPs to
> some black lists handled by who knows who.
>
> If hosting basic middle relays is blocking common web services, it will
> be hard / nearly impossible for me to encourage family, friends or
> customers to host a basic middle relays.
>
> Maybe there is no need for more and more middle relays, I don't know.
>
> Does someone encounter the same kind of annoyances ?
>
> regards,
> tierce
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