[Author Prev][Author Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Author Index][Thread Index]
Re: [tor-relays] Your opinion about tor-node.org
- To: tor-relays@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Your opinion about tor-node.org
- From: Martin Gebhardt <martin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 23:57:54 +0100
- Authentication-results: rw0b2d; spf=pass (sender IP is 158.69.63.54) smtp.mailfrom=martin@xxxxxxxxxxx smtp.helo=[192.168.178.183]
- Autocrypt: addr=martin@xxxxxxxxxxx; keydata= xsFNBGHx25kBEACa6X8shMQ7JFK8vjeqN46vdxlKTSnGaFkYF1/DnRB2Gly7Ec/jH3xTriyi SgZ91UEq+KIs4VfW0u8axls/0t0lGxD0CRPWYpbGccEODWLVM5SiZNvvS9YWXmkakEX9pL4g lF7v5sV8N/YdgODljaXz/vHa+lgyQtSeozKkudSDC8wafjR14A859P8fjlEbTdIkIhdJF7Gz Ltzl2T4sIiJhWjFgorZzXqkvQShHIQdoz72Ckx6roh9r4ZVJjl+BYInMYBErH829bmGqWVF8 JOC80dAGyaoJtRzBqjsI/pYucFJI5fdNeycSdoMBD88TlXnMf9a2xxbckrYyVaxQFVrH00Q3 EWsL19/mH/N9sJ8bOe9yk9QmYuh1MVbpS4zlKXGHeXlyhuvItqLBcwECcVQHUSJJwyRrfTPJ s+cNfwMKMRoSTtt2l6peYka6RjjvORoPDfJpSmmKtW5DTueL+nTLplJVqpczteLqmCuXlTni GDpFRXUBkQ4aeJI0Kij6NNGoVDUT8cWNBL6fX9LoSoBM1rDNOUQYhM884HTB5r1fafG/kFau /b4LvJnWpqQLBcEHGVrlQFubdN6j76MxwOunIk6DE5sk24zSPETH/teHXNDm2ef1Rq1KWjRl 7k5YImYS/IjO1NHy4QOP84PW8EI7BGUoN7+QYro2eLHJX9ljAwARAQABzSRNYXJ0aW4gR2Vi aGFyZHQgPG1hcnRpbkBnZWJoYXJkdC5pbT7CwZQEEwEKAD4WIQSFI5W9lyjNFzLshN5Ucrhm 6mzT3QUCYfHbmQIbAwUJAHanAAULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRBUcrhm6mzT 3f57EACXx0W9+0LJ2Ho5XaWCdlS4nAQ7h6htAIw7tDe+Zg3MU00bKZbjP4cjYlk4k6C1urwA JtA0ljMXb84UOgeT8A51uGUiV0OjHWSBqUdd2FUg5QDE1oAzPbsXKk7gHo+n6DnF9ZteezDN K5SQrrS7Gb3Cu5wPIiq3JByzClF955sTupduHD1dbU11UQ+JwX7ZiElPo+XZjQBqr7PkYl2K CMpc4Hzl90o0ciPqkyMrC3dg6SMSMA9B0LnpL57U1QYioSa38aFvChTBy35h1p6nEKCEKYGD xRlfi1qDNOkMSM5TaoqseZDO2dKNK4W4Y9hku4G9dwGgGetMyYBHFnUDxglLxOa3MwCPvTo+ znoeKCUjWgi7Wq/wuDNTqozjdbkhrRaxd8GOQ1vK+vaFMvm+Q8BUKPv9bTdxSULH3078xej8 fAoupBtuVBVv7TAaO/uwnV135w3XppQ70UhNa4HUSCRGRD3oLsHVQcZt/MIGIflVZwN1aiXG CARa/PkHVN0d15vvu3YeaW6y3O9/nfHJbGqqQyw48Ha2dzjPtLafslM2y0cFw0sKXn8xPoqp 5xe/Mc1vCYybX1f2Ra+xYsxRTAyr3S3OsDSuh9GQyd7y20IfoeoNiSpNf+bV0AiiCbwEDDgn IQscmg+iWcsgBqZq7xm/fe7yeIn/X72b4WpxsRodIs7BTQRh8duZARAAoU2CilswGTrRpXqF j0cxVIhFO9N1BFZkCXnQ8m5KDCC1Iuj8e/6S8bi6CRRhai9Gj3B7/A6YAba4Dtf9gPxY31WK 2LrN8bo51GA19Ld5Qnt4j0FMi8SP0h9V4lIFz4ibgXIAeB2EvZo5WadFWX9Qa3wZYAAbjvxs +vkhWkCF9ztoI7eiZscatSDBVhrcG4t1N0wT2ykccwcdHKimiLNUdp+SJotVVBxTrvGgToX5 6tkh0V9LxVjjej46j4Sv2i0OFnP5V+3/8X3BgkORYcHE6G/h0G4xEMNf25DckMtJztE2SWfG /FL1eFRmv/GybgFS323OPwBd/pGXXDhNgQHG6OphRdSky3k+vD7aMND82pchIaIkvyMO98Xv fUObrQCnz5tbVvhL5PnhPI/MjfLRr4DexHOiWLR2knLYs3ov13UKfnPkpgv05j76RZgIxAHA cwQj5FL8rtY330LoVZ34edF8RA37rY7S2vnK4fsCYrePdDj7etX/eUv9aRQvj+0dOmfu/Yoi P2Cw48I1WSPjf4plkuw3aprwT13uBGyKMc7prC95gjQRiO4tiyLrmQQyF7AThvmrzLRcE36q C5wp3hrH2mE2I3FXoaL7q6ziiV2FE6gLUS5us5LAItr/DXiiMiAsDwxjvjbufPFEP/4Lii/5 o3b+iD3CUMFRdACgkIkAEQEAAcLBfAQYAQoAJhYhBIUjlb2XKM0XMuyE3lRyuGbqbNPdBQJh 8duZAhsMBQkAdqcAAAoJEFRyuGbqbNPd0PIP/1go0j6D384gyLlw+lZ2I6ue5ir7aD3LWCXu zxfbzsqQ4ZJ0QXzkIz8WyUAsCBKclspFtELvFrc80GFPsrLcu5FxT+Ojp4g04n1DhndKveUR nv2FFKiKgrEeQA/zuN8ZSK77BXGGAbL8Yjptxv2cMaZFIlbh9M1pd1v2Az5AnxNzWusCknjr JFjUez2Z7s/9dhGUJjnscrOnMgGuM84DsprHnpofYeP+D4yZOyMRInpNKvnA+OgBz0X5A4MJ Bu0D1wNmYWRo6c2PrasIFhaMmInpLI0O6GMG2MWpBMEkKgfwr+iwswJ7NpB6fY3hw/ByAizH 3U80Ik9Q2Le+L4ELx7tmaZnQIwIZiDh/juKiKrDqFEaGmoPit7cx4WYj1JM8BVYS3AGyKSeP gweyG8geH3GUbTrxxpb7Qk8i7Rk9jX92B0ugmfz/fhqCfo4PkRrF/uUNlneHI65P+1fXgs5k INwuGewf6fBgOzrkn4F7HPLAKAHmUNuJAszT0vbm6D1e4wJ+2FvF9Q5P0aGNhX5zAsLT6s1T Z4Df7IE0cmaKc+b8Z4O5vJfT1NdlJfuIygBu1/KoHnaUISJqv7iibJoLT6tFK6O20PfayF3+ akmzGBdGxM8A1rXN8226/h9cqadMzFGWFaOeVyG1gqfu8vbrGqQfjJ8BROeDWqP8sx9t6Fjy
- Delivered-to: archiver@xxxxxxxx
- Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Mar 2022 17:58:21 -0500
- In-reply-to: <4181269.u4jS8Pt1BR@t520>
- List-archive: <http://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/>
- List-help: <mailto:tor-relays-request@lists.torproject.org?subject=help>
- List-id: "support and questions about running Tor relays \(exit, non-exit, bridge\)" <tor-relays.lists.torproject.org>
- List-post: <mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org>
- List-subscribe: <https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays>, <mailto:tor-relays-request@lists.torproject.org?subject=subscribe>
- List-unsubscribe: <https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/tor-relays>, <mailto:tor-relays-request@lists.torproject.org?subject=unsubscribe>
- References: <ba1f98b6-9c68-fef7-20f9-43fd19a6d4a5@gebhardt.im> <5718898.7FxOrDHzXm@t520> <3ca1f52a-4076-64b5-89ff-241b5f991ff4@gebhardt.im> <4181269.u4jS8Pt1BR@t520>
- Reply-to: tor-relays@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Sender: "tor-relays" <tor-relays-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.6.1
On 3/3/22 22:48, lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Donnerstag, 3. März 2022 16:40:42 CET Martin Gebhardt wrote:
I don't understand the analogy in his phrase. I'm not a native English
speaker.
Yes, I understand German better too.
I took a closer look at the site. Pretty hidden on council.re -> Projects:
[..]
They don't collect donations from average users, but from DNM sysadmins.
OK, generally quite good to encourage some DNM admins to fund or operate Tor
relays. DNM is of course not good advertising for the Tor Project and Relay
operators ;-) It's hard enough to find ISP's for Tor exit relays as it is.
I haven't even looked at it that far. But they also refer to "Dread".
Seems to be a DNM scene board.
There they ask for donations, but also only very discreetly and at the
end of an announcement.
Anyway, I don't think that's so good. Especially because of the
representative effect. If some reporter or journalist wants to bitch
about Tor again, then such a project will serve as a good example to
create a negative narrative.
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Because of the BTC & XMR donation addresses:
Monero blockchain obfuscate transactions to achieve anonymity.
Serious projects list the view key for the monero donation address.
Okay, I can't do anything with that. I know too little about Monero.
But thank you for sharing about it. In any case, I'm not alone with my
basic criticism.
It would be great if the operator would somehow speak up. My point is
not to criticize the project, but to learn more about the background.
As some of you might have noticed, I've been doing intensive research on
tor for half a year now and will publish a paper about it in one or two
years. Something like this fits in there as well. Even if I personally
don't like it.
--
Martin
Attachment:
OpenPGP_0x5472B866EA6CD3DD.asc
Description: OpenPGP public key
Attachment:
OpenPGP_signature
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
_______________________________________________
tor-relays mailing list
tor-relays@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays