Re: [tor-relays] Node Operators Web Of Trust

[Eric Hocking <ehock7229@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

That sounds like an excellent idea. if the site nowot.com is available, someone could register it. Maybe we could even get providers on board with the idea.

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> Is it not time to establish a node operator web of trust?
> Look at all the nodes out there with or without 'contact' info,
> do you really know who runs them? Have you talked with
> them? What are their motivations? Are they your friends?
> Do you know where they work, such as you see them every day
> stocking grocery store, or in some building with a badge on it?
> Does their story jive? Are they active in the community/spaces
> we are? Etc. This is huge potential problem.
> NOWoT participation is optional, it is of course infiltratable,
> and what it proves may be arguable, but it seems a necessary
> thing to try as a test of that and to develop a good model.
> Many operators know each other in person. And the node
> density per geographic region supports getting out to meet
> operators even if only for the sole purpose of attesting 'I met
> this blob of flesh who proved ownership of node[s] x'.
> That's a big start, even against the sybil agents they'd surely
> send out to meet you.
> Many know exactly who the other is in the active community
> such that they can attest at that level. And so on down the
> line of different classes of trust that may be developed
> and asserted over each claimed operator.
> Assuming a NOWoT that actually says something can
> be established, is traffic then routable by the user over nodes
> via trust metrics in addition to the usual metrics and randomness?
> WoT's are an ancient subject... now what are the possibilities and
> issues when asserting them over physical nodes, not just over
> virtual nodes such as an email address found in your pubkey?
> And what about identities that exist only anonymously yet
> can prove control over various unique resources?
> If such WoT's cannot be proven to have non-value, then it seems
> worth doing.
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> This doesn't just apply to Tor, but to any node based system.
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> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:58:12 +0000
> From: Gareth Llewellyn <gareth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Node Operators Web Of Trust
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>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 8:26 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> Is it not time to establish a node operator web of trust?
>> Look at all the nodes out there with or without 'contact' info,
>> do you really know who runs them? Have you talked with
>> them? What are their motivations? Are they your friends?
>> Do you know where they work, such as you see them every day
>> stocking grocery store, or in some building with a badge on it?
>> Does their story jive? Are they active in the community/spaces
>> we are? Etc. This is huge potential problem.
>> 
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> I had an idea for this a little while ago; https://tortbv.link/ using the
> published GPG signature in the contact info to sign the node fingerprint,
> if you trust the GPG key then you can _possibly_ trust that the node is run
> by the named operator.
> 
> Never got round to actually doing anything with it though...
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