Re: [tor-talk] "If you have access to certain tools, you can completely ignore Tor."

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From: Joe Btfsplk
Sent: 12/26/11 12:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [tor-talk] "If you have access to certain tools, you can completely ignore Tor."

 On 12/24/2011 4:09 AM, grarpamp wrote: >>>> to put one in someday, we'll make it obvious and loud that it is so. >>> No Backdoors. No bugdoors. No so-called "lawful interception" systems. > Court orders and duress can be applied to anyone who is > reachable by them. The only real solution should that happen > is to take things underground on Tor, or any other strong net, > and remain open source therein. It is unfortunate in this > regard that the current systems employ known authors. > But new unknowns will step in place of the old if need be. Good point. I think you're right. They may have to go WAY underground. Everyone knows several countries have already outlawed Tor & other internet uses / sites. Julian Assange was way to visible to carry out his mission, whether one agrees w/ his agenda or not. If gov'ts can't stop persons / organizations they deem embarrassing or threats because of free speech rights, they'll invent other charges against them. Again, I just can't see
  many gov'ts leaving Tor alone, when (unfortunately) it * presumably *allows "combatant enemies" to easily communicate anonymously. Democratic nations may not ban it, but they have to protect their national security & they won't sit idly by while terrorist groups thumb their noses at security agencies. It's unfortunate that the use of Tor for true, non-violent free speech & access to info & it's use for more sinister purposes get mixed together. It was once unthinkable that US & other free countries would listen in on potentially all citizens' conversations or read private mail (electronic or paper) w/o court warrants, but it's here & so far, people pretty much accept it. _______________________________________________ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk Could you possibly supply a list of truly democratic countries?
 I don't think anymore exist - in reality.
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