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Re: [tor-talk] Tor and solidarity against online harassment
On 12/12/2014 02:20 PM, Roger Dingledine wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 03:23:42PM -0300, Juan wrote:
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We won't put backdoors in Tor. Ever.
You work for the pentagon and are subjects of the US state.
The US government has secret 'courts' and secretly forces its
subjects to tamper with all kinds of 'security' systems, in the
name of 'national security'.
Whatever public declamations you make carry very little weight.
Hello Mr. Tor hater,
We get funding from a variety of groups, including US government groups.
We do not "work for the pentagon" but that is a separate discussion and
it shouldn't derail this one.
I'm afraid you're going to continue to hit up against this criticism for
the foreseeable future, for the following reasons:
1) The NSA's betrayal of trust on the internet (and its standards) have
all but removed good faith from the equation in the minds of a lot of people
2) practically speaking, Tor Browser Bundle _is_ private browsing mode
for the time being. There is no other game in town (at least in terms
of usability and being gratis)
So someone looks on your resume and finds a summer at the NSA. If the
wider free software community was adequately funded to sustainably
research and protect users privacy, that would be that. Tor would take a
temporary hit and Privacy Software B's website would temporarily see
more hits and development effort.
In the real world, however, there isn't a Software B. It will be a long
time before even a Debian user can apt-get install and easily use
Gnunet. Non-technical users see a world of NSA surveillance and a
single usable, well-maintained piece of software available for anonymous
browsing run by people funded by the U.S. government. Conspiracy
theories flourish in that type of climate. And until there are as many
(effective) private browsers competing with each other as there are
normal browsers, these kinds of attacks will continue to be (at least
Anyway, for those who are willing to listen to a little reason and live
in a country where encryption isn't illegal, here's a Pascal's wager for
Tor Browser Bundle use:
Something to hide Nothing to hide
Tor is a honey-pot: Tor use is BAD Tor use is No worse than
not using Tor
Tor isn't honey-pot: Tor use is GOOD Tor use is GOOD
Of course this doesn't work if Tor use simply lands you in jail, or gets
you disappeared by government agents. But if that is the case you have
much bigger issues to deal with than private browsing.
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