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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Mr. Blue wrote: > You better BET that if anyone is against censorship, then I AM in a > FIRST LINE! > Being free and anonym is a main reason why I like Tor, so I could > get rid of those greedy I-see-all govs eyes. > > But even THIS world MUST have some rules. > Do you have rules in your own house where you live? > Imagine it without them. Yes, and this is, given the limits of technology, best left to the realm of The Good Lord to handle ( the rules are in The Bible if only people would abide by them. There is something that the vast majority of people fail to take into consideration, and that is the fact that evil exists in this world. It does, and while we cannot endorse it, or go along with it, we do have to tolerate it in as much as we cannot prevent it without actually hurting ourselves in the process (reference the quote of Thomas Paine). > > Now, I personally don't care if someone use Tor to hack someone, rob > a bank online, commit credit card fraud, or hack any other site... > or anything similar. > Main reason/point is because ALL those targets have ABILITY to > actually DO defend themselves! Far as the banks go, especially the central banks go I agree because they are the author of more evil in this world than any individual pedophile. In fact, if you do enough research on the subject, you will find that they are behind a lot of the promotion of pedophilia. > > Poor kids DON'T!!! True, and it's up to their parents to defend them from the predators. Anyone that believes the state will defend them has a screw loose. > > And solving this problem by simply shouting out "I am neutral I just > care for Tor" and dare to consider problem solved is totally stupid > and SELFISH act. I don't think anyone is taking that stance. Personally, I believe that there is no good solution to the problem. Any active attacks upon those people via hacking ect... will establish a precedent of censorship on the Tor network, and will come back to haunt the legitimate users of Tor. > > Even I AGREE that censorship is NOT a solution to this problem, > because it would cripple Tor, so Tor wouldn't be what it was meant > to be from beginning. There you go, you see the principle, but because you feel so strongly about the reprehensible acts of a minority of users of Tor, you are willing to violate the principle. It takes a lot of backbone to stand on a principle, especially if by doing so acts that you do not condone, and believe are evil incarnate are not prevented. Taking a stand on principle often means incurring a lot of pain, not only upon yourself, but upon others that you care about. > > Point is that pedophiles are on OUR territory once they are here > which doesn't mean we need to report them to authorities (and choose > one side in a process how some are claiming). > We can nail them silently by ourselves, and make theirs life a hell > in a process. > Rob them, hack them, expose them (to theirs relatives, newspapers, > anonym "vocie" to police etc..)..., you name it! > All options are opened... and in this process we don't need to abide > to any laws. I will remind you here that two wrongs do not make a right. I confess that I do not have a solution that will not violate the rights of other Tor users, or should they take an active role in attacking the pedophiles, protect them from prosecution. Regardless of the fact that they might be hacking pedophiles computers, their hacking would still subject them to prosecution by the authorities of most, perhaps all countries. So, given that, and other facts I've presented, the only solution I can see it that the Tor network issue a strong statement decrying the pedophiles, and other criminal elements using the Tor network, and leave the investigating and prosecuting to the ("semi") legitimate authorities. Given that I've worked in law enforcement for most of my life, and realize how little protection it provides (more often than not, it provides oppression and persecution to those it's supposed to protect, and protection to those it's supposed to investigate and prosecute) that says a lot. or should anyway. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/> > with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF5aYElzq1/FLekkARCgRPAKCIwz6ZhsV8ywUnZoCZin4Zue3NegCgl/NI MP5Llz0yxD5/LqZKfRr9BGg= =iRI+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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