Re: OSI 1-3 attack on Tor? in it.wikipedia

[Anon Mus <a_green_lantern@xxxxxxxxx>]

Scott Bennett wrote:
>      Looks like OR-TALK has moved up in the world enough that it has
at
> last acquired a troll.
>      On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:42:59 -0800 (PST) Anon Mus
> <a_green_lantern@xxxxxxxxx> wrote
>   
>> F. Fox wrote:
>>     
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>>> Anon Mus wrote:
>>> (snip)
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Not quite true.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> (snip)
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> 3. Attacker has a list of known public/private key pairs. These
are
>>>> generated over the years by government security service
>>>>         
>> supercomputers
>>     
>>>> and their own secure network computers (around the world). Such
>>>>         
>> lists
>>     
>>>> are
>>>> regularly swapped between 'friendly' countries and are fro sale on
>>>>         
>> the
>>     
>>>> black market. Given any tor nodes public key, the attacker looks
up
>>>> that
>>>> key in the list and it returns the tor nodes genuine private key,
>>>>         
>> where
>>     
>>>> it
>>>> has it in its list. (Interesting note: here you have to imagine
that
>>>> there is software of out there, like the tor network itself, which
>>>> could
>>>> be used for generating and acquiring billions of key pairs a year
>>>>         
>> over
>>     
>>>> millions of networked computers world wide. You only need to store
>>>>         
>> the
>>     
>>>> key pairs such networked software generates after they have
finished
>>>> with them.)
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> (snip)
>>>
>>> Umm... unless you're talking about lists of *compromised* keys
(i.e.,
>>> stolen, like via malware), then this is pure FUD. Trying to figure
>>>       
>> out
>>     
>>> the private key by other means, is pretty infeasible.
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> ahhh ... well you don't appear to understand even the basics of
public 
>> (private) key encryption so its not suprising you reckon its "pure
>> FUD".
>>
>> FYI - the keys exist in UNIQUE pairs - a public key and a private
key.
>>
>> They are related by mathematically and they are both prime numbers.
>> They may be calculated by software, so you don't have to compromise
>> them!
>> They may be read form a file. The contents of any file may be stolen
by
>>
>> spyware.
>>
>> Of course you may not really be than dumb.
>>
>> Whether you are or not makes no difference. Why chip in such a 
>> misleading statement?
>>
>> I must say, I feel that 3 very deliberate and clumbsy attempts have
>> been 
>> to shoot down such a VERY obvious and sound scenario.
>>
>> Why so?
>>
>> Are we here not interested in protecting our anonymity ? or are we 
>> really here just protecting the reputation of tor?
>>
>> IMHO - the soundness of any tor software would protects it
reputation -
>>
>> not obvious disinformation.
>>
>>     
>       Please don't feed the troll, folks!
>
>
>   
Definitely off topic - whoops - sorry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

Quote:

"Usage

The term /troll/ is highly subjective. Some readers may characterize a 
post as /trolling/, while others may regard the same post as a 
legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. The 
term is often erroneously used to discredit an opposing position, or
its 
proponent, by argument fallacy /ad hominem 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem>/.

Often, calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's 
motives. Regardless of the circumstances, controversial posts may 
attract a particularly strong response from those unfamiliar with the 
robust dialogue found in some online, rather than physical,
communities.

Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective 
way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore him or her, because 
responding encourages a true troll to continue disruptive posts ? hence

the often-seen warning "Please do not feed the troll".^[/citation
needed 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed>/]

Frequently, someone who has been labelled a troll by a group may seek
to 
redeem their reputation by discrediting their opponents, for example by

claiming that other members of the group are closed-minded, 
conspirators, or trolls themselves."


IMHO a troll usually adds little to the enlightenment of the group and 
but much to its temperature and hot air.

Typical signs being base unfounded statements like "this is pure FUD".
And if when a troll can't shoot the message down with slander, then it 
shoot's the messenger down with slanderous "pot calling the kettle 
black" statements like "Looks like OR-TALK has moved up in the world 
enough that it has at last acquired a troll."

But of course, a troll is someone who regularly frequents a forum, as
we 
ALL know.

... someone like... ahhh....

....there's that name again... permanent member obviously... not like
us 
occasional johnny-come- lately s.

... err maybe I shouldn't have replied... oh well he's such a
glutton...


Back on topic:

I only hope that those who followed my original message were not 
bamboozled by the subsequent distractions.

So hopefully, its back to it.wikipedia for more of the good advice.

A little more enlightened and lot less dogmatic.

-K-





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