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Re: [tor-talk] Project idea: TorBox
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:23:17PM +0100, Morgan Andreasson wrote:
> *The TorBox*
First thought: we try not to mash the word 'Tor' together with generic
See e.g. a previous TorBOX:
> *What is it? *
> In short, it?s a little black box you plug into your DSL modem or your
> Fiber socket (or whatever form your broadband connection comes in). At the
> other end of that black box, you connect your computer or even your
> All connections to the internet that you make through this
> black box will be routed through the Tor network *in a secure manner*. In
> addition to making your own traffic anonymous,
I'm really nervous about the "transparently redirect the flow, whatever
it is, through Tor" model that everybody finds so intuitive.
(and before that, https://www.torproject.org/torbutton/en/design/)
for all the application-level ways that things can go wrong.
I think rather than transparent redirection, such devices will do better
putting up a captive portal to explain that you'd better go fetch a Tor
Browser Bundle and then it will work. I recognize there's a tradeoff
between safety and ease-of-use here, but I worry that "let them use IE
and feel that they're safe" is a really dangerous point on the line.
> *Connecting securely. *
> There should be a TorBrowser-bundle available for download, which is
> configured to be used with a TorBox: This bundle comes with a browser, a
> download accelerator, an Instant Messaging client, an email client, and
> possibly some other utilities with presets configured for anonymity and
> security. When starting any of these ?apps?, they connect to the TorBox
> immediately and without any user interaction necessary, and tell the user
> that they have successfully established a secure connection.
Sounds great. But why are the bundles not just running Tor themselves
and being done with it?
> What kind of hardware is necessary? I/O-circuitry, PCB, 1GB onboard memory
> or less, tiny little processor?
See the last bullet-point in my 29c3 trip report:
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