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2015-07-05 3:24 GMT+03:00 QaTaR Attack <mraboqht@xxxxxxxxx>:

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>    1. Re: pdf with tor (Mirimir)
>    2. Re: pdf with tor (Lars Luthman)
>    3. Fwd: Re: Fwd: CALL FOR TESTING: new port scanning subsystem
>       (allows scanning behind proxies, including Tor!) (Jacek Wielemborek)
>    4. Re: pdf with tor (Mirimir)
>    5. Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: CALL FOR TESTING: new port scanning
>       subsystem (allows scanning behind proxies, including Tor!) (spriver)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 14:30:29 -0600
> From: Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor
> Message-ID: <5596F0E5.8050101@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
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> On 07/03/2015 02:16 PM, mtsio wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Is it safe to open pdf documents inside Tor Browser?
>
> As other have said, it is NOT safe to do that, because PDFs can bypass
> Tor. However, it IS safe to open PDFs in Whonix, because all
> Internet-bound traffic either uses Tor, or is black-holed.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 22:36:24 +0200
> From: Lars Luthman <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor
> Message-ID: <1435955784.11081.31.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Fri, 2015-07-03 at 14:30 -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> > On 07/03/2015 02:16 PM, mtsio wrote:
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > Is it safe to open pdf documents inside Tor Browser?
> >
> > As other have said, it is NOT safe to do that, because PDFs can bypass
> > Tor. However, it IS safe to open PDFs in Whonix, because all
> > Internet-bound traffic either uses Tor, or is black-holed.
>
> Can PDF.js bypass Tor? How? I thought it used the same networking code
> and proxy settings as the rest of Firefox.
>
>
> --ll
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 23:27:59 +0200
> From: Jacek Wielemborek <d33tah@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, grarpamp@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tor-talk] Fwd: Re: Fwd: CALL FOR TESTING: new port scanning
>         subsystem (allows scanning behind proxies, including Tor!)
> Message-ID: <5596FE5F.60401@xxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> (reposting again because I still wasn't subscribed to tor-talk)
>
> W dniu 03.07.2015 o 22:01, grarpamp pisze:
> >> One of the features that my modifications enable is performing port
> >> scanning behind proxies. I only scanned it using SOCKS4 server built
> >> into Tor
> >>
> >> ./nmap -sT --proxy socks4://localhost:9050 scanme.nmap.org
> >>
> >> Please do note that even though port scanning within Tor is possible,
> >> you cannot scan .onion names due to lack of SOCKS4A support.
> >
> > SOCKS4 and SOCKS4A are old and deprecated and should not
> > be implemented (unless you're also implementing the current SOCKS5
> > and adding in 4/4A as a bonus).
> >
> > Tor supports SOCKS5 (and the deprecated 4/4A but it will complain).
> > So scanning onions and anything else by name should be possible.
> >
> > SOCKS5 also supports IPv6 which is becoming the way of things.
> > Therefore, implement SOCKS5 :)
>
> I think that SOCKS5 support within Nsock library (on which my
> modification depends) is planned. SOCKS5 also supports UDP, so it could
> bring even more benefits. For now, SOCKS4 has to do though.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 17:45:17 -0600
> From: Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor
> Message-ID: <55971E8D.7090507@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> On 07/03/2015 02:36 PM, Lars Luthman wrote:
> > On Fri, 2015-07-03 at 14:30 -0600, Mirimir wrote:
> >> On 07/03/2015 02:16 PM, mtsio wrote:
> >>> Hello everyone,
> >>>
> >>> Is it safe to open pdf documents inside Tor Browser?
> >>
> >> As other have said, it is NOT safe to do that, because PDFs can bypass
> >> Tor. However, it IS safe to open PDFs in Whonix, because all
> >> Internet-bound traffic either uses Tor, or is black-holed.
> >
> > Can PDF.js bypass Tor? How? I thought it used the same networking code
> > and proxy settings as the rest of Firefox.
>
> Maybe so. But without firewall rules, there's risk. There's also risk of
> downloading the PDF, and opening it with another app.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 09:12:30 +0200
> From: spriver <spriver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Fwd: Re: Fwd: CALL FOR TESTING: new port
>         scanning subsystem (allows scanning behind proxies, including Tor!)
> Message-ID: <5597875E.1090704@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
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> Hi,
> thanks for the info! I will try it out these days.
>
> Cheers,
> spriver
>
> On 07/03/2015 23:27, Jacek Wielemborek wrote:
> > (reposting again because I still wasn't subscribed to tor-talk)
> >
> > W dniu 03.07.2015 o 22:01, grarpamp pisze:
> >>> One of the features that my modifications enable is performing
> >>> port scanning behind proxies. I only scanned it using SOCKS4
> >>> server built into Tor
> >>>
> >>> ./nmap -sT --proxy socks4://localhost:9050 scanme.nmap.org
> >>>
> >>> Please do note that even though port scanning within Tor is
> >>> possible, you cannot scan .onion names due to lack of SOCKS4A
> >>> support.
> >>
> >> SOCKS4 and SOCKS4A are old and deprecated and should not be
> >> implemented (unless you're also implementing the current SOCKS5
> >> and adding in 4/4A as a bonus).
> >>
> >> Tor supports SOCKS5 (and the deprecated 4/4A but it will
> >> complain). So scanning onions and anything else by name should be
> >> possible.
> >>
> >> SOCKS5 also supports IPv6 which is becoming the way of things.
> >> Therefore, implement SOCKS5 :)
> >
> > I think that SOCKS5 support within Nsock library (on which my
> > modification depends) is planned. SOCKS5 also supports UDP, so it
> > could bring even more benefits. For now, SOCKS4 has to do though.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> 2015-07-04 15:00 GMT+03:00 <tor-talk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
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>>
>>    1. Re: pdf with tor (Mirimir)
>>    2. Re: pdf with tor (Lars Luthman)
>>    3. Fwd: Re: Fwd: CALL FOR TESTING: new port scanning subsystem
>>       (allows scanning behind proxies, including Tor!) (Jacek Wielemborek)
>>    4. Re: pdf with tor (Mirimir)
>>    5. Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: CALL FOR TESTING: new port scanning
>>       subsystem (allows scanning behind proxies, including Tor!) (spriver)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 14:30:29 -0600
>> From: Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor
>> Message-ID: <5596F0E5.8050101@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> On 07/03/2015 02:16 PM, mtsio wrote:
>> > Hello everyone,
>> >
>> > Is it safe to open pdf documents inside Tor Browser?
>>
>> As other have said, it is NOT safe to do that, because PDFs can bypass
>> Tor. However, it IS safe to open PDFs in Whonix, because all
>> Internet-bound traffic either uses Tor, or is black-holed.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 22:36:24 +0200
>> From: Lars Luthman <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor
>> Message-ID: <1435955784.11081.31.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> On Fri, 2015-07-03 at 14:30 -0600, Mirimir wrote:
>> > On 07/03/2015 02:16 PM, mtsio wrote:
>> > > Hello everyone,
>> > >
>> > > Is it safe to open pdf documents inside Tor Browser?
>> >
>> > As other have said, it is NOT safe to do that, because PDFs can bypass
>> > Tor. However, it IS safe to open PDFs in Whonix, because all
>> > Internet-bound traffic either uses Tor, or is black-holed.
>>
>> Can PDF.js bypass Tor? How? I thought it used the same networking code
>> and proxy settings as the rest of Firefox.
>>
>>
>> --ll
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 23:27:59 +0200
>> From: Jacek Wielemborek <d33tah@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, grarpamp@xxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tor-talk] Fwd: Re: Fwd: CALL FOR TESTING: new port scanning
>>         subsystem (allows scanning behind proxies, including Tor!)
>> Message-ID: <5596FE5F.60401@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>
>> (reposting again because I still wasn't subscribed to tor-talk)
>>
>> W dniu 03.07.2015 o 22:01, grarpamp pisze:
>> >> One of the features that my modifications enable is performing port
>> >> scanning behind proxies. I only scanned it using SOCKS4 server built
>> >> into Tor
>> >>
>> >> ./nmap -sT --proxy socks4://localhost:9050 scanme.nmap.org
>> >>
>> >> Please do note that even though port scanning within Tor is possible,
>> >> you cannot scan .onion names due to lack of SOCKS4A support.
>> >
>> > SOCKS4 and SOCKS4A are old and deprecated and should not
>> > be implemented (unless you're also implementing the current SOCKS5
>> > and adding in 4/4A as a bonus).
>> >
>> > Tor supports SOCKS5 (and the deprecated 4/4A but it will complain).
>> > So scanning onions and anything else by name should be possible.
>> >
>> > SOCKS5 also supports IPv6 which is becoming the way of things.
>> > Therefore, implement SOCKS5 :)
>>
>> I think that SOCKS5 support within Nsock library (on which my
>> modification depends) is planned. SOCKS5 also supports UDP, so it could
>> bring even more benefits. For now, SOCKS4 has to do though.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 17:45:17 -0600
>> From: Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] pdf with tor
>> Message-ID: <55971E8D.7090507@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> On 07/03/2015 02:36 PM, Lars Luthman wrote:
>> > On Fri, 2015-07-03 at 14:30 -0600, Mirimir wrote:
>> >> On 07/03/2015 02:16 PM, mtsio wrote:
>> >>> Hello everyone,
>> >>>
>> >>> Is it safe to open pdf documents inside Tor Browser?
>> >>
>> >> As other have said, it is NOT safe to do that, because PDFs can bypass
>> >> Tor. However, it IS safe to open PDFs in Whonix, because all
>> >> Internet-bound traffic either uses Tor, or is black-holed.
>> >
>> > Can PDF.js bypass Tor? How? I thought it used the same networking code
>> > and proxy settings as the rest of Firefox.
>>
>> Maybe so. But without firewall rules, there's risk. There's also risk of
>> downloading the PDF, and opening it with another app.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 09:12:30 +0200
>> From: spriver <spriver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Fwd: Re: Fwd: CALL FOR TESTING: new port
>>         scanning subsystem (allows scanning behind proxies, including
>> Tor!)
>> Message-ID: <5597875E.1090704@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Hi,
>> thanks for the info! I will try it out these days.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> spriver
>>
>> On 07/03/2015 23:27, Jacek Wielemborek wrote:
>> > (reposting again because I still wasn't subscribed to tor-talk)
>> >
>> > W dniu 03.07.2015 o 22:01, grarpamp pisze:
>> >>> One of the features that my modifications enable is performing
>> >>> port scanning behind proxies. I only scanned it using SOCKS4
>> >>> server built into Tor
>> >>>
>> >>> ./nmap -sT --proxy socks4://localhost:9050 scanme.nmap.org
>> >>>
>> >>> Please do note that even though port scanning within Tor is
>> >>> possible, you cannot scan .onion names due to lack of SOCKS4A
>> >>> support.
>> >>
>> >> SOCKS4 and SOCKS4A are old and deprecated and should not be
>> >> implemented (unless you're also implementing the current SOCKS5
>> >> and adding in 4/4A as a bonus).
>> >>
>> >> Tor supports SOCKS5 (and the deprecated 4/4A but it will
>> >> complain). So scanning onions and anything else by name should be
>> >> possible.
>> >>
>> >> SOCKS5 also supports IPv6 which is becoming the way of things.
>> >> Therefore, implement SOCKS5 :)
>> >
>> > I think that SOCKS5 support within Nsock library (on which my
>> > modification depends) is planned. SOCKS5 also supports UDP, so it
>> > could bring even more benefits. For now, SOCKS4 has to do though.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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