RE: "SHTTPD": Windows web-server, light-weight, stand-alone and multi-platform (Unix, etc)

["Tony" <Tony@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,

What has Code Red to do with this? That was a different webserver
version on a different operating system (IIS5 on Windows 2000 and
earlier). I was recommending the option of IIS6 for those running
Windows server 2003. I remind you that the worst worm infestation in the
history of the internet was actually on UNIX based systems as the 'Great
Worm' of 1988... Should we avoid using Linux because of that?

Microsoft current OS's are certainly not perfect but they are much
improved as regards security from previous versions. If you check recent
defacement statistics or the recent report on the subject from Mi2g you
will see that the most commonly hacked server OS platform on the
internet is currently systems based on Linux by a very wide and growing
margin, even allowing for the fact that there are currently more Linux
based servers out there. 

As regards the source code comment - I cant recall anyone being sued as
you describe anywhere, ever,  except where the person concerned was an
ex-employee of the company in question. Perhaps you could provide a few
examples?



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Watson Ladd
Sent: 09 June 2006 00:08
To: or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: "SHTTPD": Windows web-server, light-weight, stand-alone and
multi-platform (Unix, etc)

And so Code Red never existed?
On Jun 8, 2006, at 10:23 AM, Tony wrote:

> That is simply not true - many people can check and review the  
> source code for Microsoft products. You just have to be licenced  
> and have a valid reason to do so. e.g. the Chinese government did  
> so to check for backdoors, etc., and so have many others including  
> many software developers.
>
> See http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/Licensing/ 
> default.mspx
And never work on GPL code ever again because a lawsuit might be  
made. This is why open source projects should create shell  
corporations that own all the code: When a lawsuit comes, declare  
bankruptcy, give them the rights to the code. Then fork off another  
project and repeat. When they come after you, point out that the  
previous owners waived the rights to prevent a fork.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Kenneth Loafman
> Sent: Thu 08/06/2006 14:05
> To: or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: "SHTTPD": Windows web-server, light-weight, stand- 
> alone and multi-platform (Unix, etc)
>
>
>
> The other freedom that they don't mention is freedom from backdoors.
> Since no one can see the MS code and verify that it is free from
> government intrusion, there is good reason not to use it in an
> environment where such government intrusion could be detrimental.
>
> ...Ken
>
> Tony wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> If you have already paid to use Windows server, then it is  
>> effectively a 'free product'. However you need to be specially  
>> licensed to see the source code.
>>
>> You also get IIS5 with XP, but I would not recommend using that as  
>> it is not as secure.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: owner-or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Anothony Georgeo
>> Sent: Thu 08/06/2006 12:02
>> To: or-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: "SHTTPD": Windows web-server, light-weight, stand- 
>> alone and multi-platform (Unix, etc)
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> --- Tony <Tony@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Windows Server 2003 already comes with IIS6
>>
>> The Tor team wants 'free software' not Microsoft
>> products.
>>
>> Access to source code and ability to modifity source
>> code is one of the main legs of 'free software' and
>> not allowed by Microsoft.
>>
>> Please read this page for a great definition of 'free
>> software':
>> <http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html>
>>
>>> From the site:
>> ---
>> Free software is a matter of the users' freedom to
>> run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve
>> the software. More precisely, it refers to four
>> kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:
>>
>> * The freedom to run the program, for any purpose
>> (freedom 0).
>>
>> * The freedom to study how the program works, and
>> adapt it to your needs (freedom 1). Access to the
>> source code is a precondition for this.
>>
>> * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can
>> help your neighbor (freedom 2).
>>
>> * The freedom to improve the program, and release
>> your improvements to the public, so that the
>> whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access to
>> the source code is a precondition for this.
>> ---
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Sincerely,
Watson Ladd
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