Re: [tor-talk] New Tor project idea for internet comments

[Juan <juan.g71@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 15:33:28 -0500
"Lee Malek" <leemalek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 99% of censorship happens on blog comments. This kind of project
> would help to force an open dialog.


	Yes it is a good idea.  As a matter of fact I vaguely remember
	a browser addon that would let people do exactly that : you
	could add comments to websites and the comments were not stored
	on the site but on...a different server run by the people who
	created the addon? I never really investigated it. 

	To make it 'censorship resistent' the comments would have to be
	stored in a freenet-like database. Actually, all you need is a 
	browser plugin that can store content in freenet. You don't
	need tor. 



> 
> If we aren't going on the offensive against censorship we will lose
> eventually. The power is in the hands of those who control the
> message. And those who control the media control the message. This
> would allow us to break through the shit and get a counter-message
> out right on their own websites.
> 
> There is a way to accomplish this.
> 
> Also, we need to start thinking about message control, not just
> governments blocking certain sites. The elites fear the internet and
> anonymity because of the possibility of losing control of the
> message/ the dialog ,whatever you want to call it.
> 
> Putting the message in the hands of the people is the best thing that
> could ever happen for US and the worst thing for them.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: Juan <juan.g71@xxxxxxxxx>
> Apparently from: tor-talk-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] New Tor project idea for internet comments
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 17:26:32 -0300
> 
> > On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 14:11:33 -0500
> > "Lee Malek" <leemalek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > > This has nothing to do with people censoring tor users and
> > > everything to do with normal blogs censoring normal users because
> > > they don't like their comments. I am thinking mainly of the USA
> > > here. This will be a problem as time progresses.
> > 
> > 
> > 	Don't bother. The party line here is to 'fight' for
> > 'freedom' in places where the american imperialist military has
> > problems gathering 'intelligence'. 
> > 
> > 	Prime example : A country like china is firewalled  so the 
> > 	pentagon can't spy on the chinese internet directly. Hence,
> > 	tor. 
> > 
> > 	And of course, in a place like the US you're going to find
> > 	extensive censorship in 'public' and 'private' websites.
> > Hell that is American Freedom! In a united state people should be
> > 	free to censor any kind of disent. 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > This allows sharing of information directly on news sites, safely
> > > and anonymously, completely circumventing their censoring of other
> > > political views. How is this not the place for something like
> > > this?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > From: michael ball <michaelballriseup@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > Apparently from: tor-talk-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: [tor-talk] New Tor project idea for internet comments
> > > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 11:39:05 -0700
> > > 
> > > > This isn't technically feasible-- for example, censored users in
> > > > countries with slow Internet speeds (Iran, Cuba, Syria) would be
> > > > unable to connect to the network by being forced to relay
> > > > connections if they install the browser plugin. The Tor network
> > > > relies on volunteers who have the ability to quickly and safely
> > > > relay traffic to do so, and users who do not have those
> > > > abilities are not at a disadvantage.
> > > > 
> > > > Tor developers, community members and volunteers could better
> > > > spend the time creating this system for something that yields
> > > > more results, like actually encouraging the websites who censor
> > > > Tor users to not do so-- they should rather use a CAPTCHA
> > > > system or another form of human verification (that does not
> > > > break anonymity).
> > > > 
> > > > > So many news website block comments they dont like these days.
> > > > 
> > > > This isn't something new or exclusive to Tor users. Anyone who
> > > > creates a website with a comment system can censor and prune the
> > > > comments they don't agree with. I do agree, a separate comment
> > > > system would be great at fighting the censorship by websites,
> > > > but it isn't something the Tor developers should focus on.
> > > > 
> > > > Good idea, but not exactly the right place. Thanks for the
> > > > idea, and welcome to the Tor mailing list!
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