Re: [tor-talk] Unsigned Mac OS X binary for TorBrowser

["Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)" <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 11/10/12 2:40 AM, andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 06:05:58PM -0500, mfisch@xxxxxxxxxx wrote 1.0K bytes in 18 lines about:
> : TorProject should be registered as an Apple software developer, and the binary should be signed, both to increase credibility of the torproject and the safety of users.
>
> No. The last time we reviewed the Apple Developer Agreement it is hostile
> to Tor as an organization. We at Tor cannot sign Apple's ToS/Agreements
> to use their systems. You are forced to give up all legal rights to
> Apple and they have final say. I just tried to view the agreement again,
> and I cannot do so without a valid ADP account.
>
> In discussions with Apple, it comes down the facts that we cannot edit
> their agreement, and take it or leave it as it is. It's clear developer
> do not read these agreements, or do not understand them, or don't care
> because they are distracted by the potential money they can make in
> the Apple App Store.
>
> For legal protection, we may have to create a subsidiary to sign these
> agreements.
Just have someone else, with no effective legal authority on Tor
Project, to sign the ADP agreement and "rent you for free" the account.

If you want you can register as "me" representing Tor Project (i've no
relationship with Tor Project Inc), with my personal credit card, in
clear violation of ADP (i don't care that much).

Whatever apple would try to do against Tor Project, Apple will have to
sue me or ask me their rights! :P

Maybe it's the italian way of doing things :P

Imho you cannot really fight apple ADP agreement on paper, they will
probably always win and this is the direction taken by most major
vendors "application stores" and "development program".

So a third party organization, handling Apple Account to you, so you do
not have to sign any legal agreement with apple maybe a quick work-around.

In any case, i'd suggest to start evaluating technically how to do it,
because for how TBB is done (many independent software started up and
intercommunicating with TCP as IPC) it maybe very complicated (or even
very simple).

Fabio
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