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Re: [tor-talk] Krypton Anonymous: A Chromium Tor Browser
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Mike Perry <mikeperry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Cyrus Katrak:
> > https://github.com/kr36/seaturtle
> > At a high level:
> > - Process per tab security model, with each tab owning it's own in-memory
> > state (cache, cookies, local storage, hsts db etc...).
> We've been going for URL bar domain isolation in Tor Browser to avoid
> divergence with how users expect the browser to behave:
> Even still, per-tab isolation is a common request, so it's easy to
> assume that this is what most people really want. But I think if you
> think through how it will work in practice, it becomes fairly clear it's
> actually a very bad property for usability.
> The easiest way to see how per-tab isolation will cause confusion is to
> imagine the twitter use case. In a normal twitter user flow, the user
> logs in to twitter, opens some lists and conversations (often in new
> tabs), perhaps opens tweetdeck in a new tab, follows links from people
> in their feed, and sends and receives twitter conversation links from
> their friends over DM, chat, IRC, and email.
> If each these actions happens in a new, isolated tab, the user will be
> forced to log in repeatedly to twitter, and worse, forget which tabs
> they logged in to twitter on, especially once they start following links
> (both on and off site) from people's feeds.
> Is Tor Browser-style url bar domain isolation also possible to achieve
> with simple configuration, or did you just go per-tab because the
> Chromium plumbing was already set up to make per-tab isolation easy?
> but I don't see the per-tab isolation mechanism in the source.
I oversimplified my explanation a bit. Right now If you open a "fresh" new
tab (using the '+' button in the tab view), you get a "fresh" state.
However if you long-press a link (open link in new tab) or happen to click
a popup link, the newly created tab will share state with the previous tab.
I think this partially addresses your concern, but I agree it's imperfect,
and probably a bit confusing for most people.
I came to this design decision via some personal intuition, user feedback,
and experimentation. The default Chromium security model is process per
however this doesn't really address some aspects of shared state (cache,
cookies etc...). Take a look at the url request context getter
to see the possibilities of what can be shared or isolated across browser
contexts (note that Krypton Anonymous ships with single_context = false).
I'll also note that our companion app (Krypton Premium, for non-Tor
everyday browsing) has the property that it only saves cookies for websites
you've added to your favorites. I don't have a good enough understanding of
what kind of features the Tor community wants, so at the moment Krypton
Anonymous airs on the side of caution by never saving state.
> > - Efficiently integrated HTTPS Everywhere rules.
> > - Addresses some fingerprint-ability issues: Disabled geolocation, webgl,
> > accelerated <canvas>, static user agent, etc.
> Are these also simple prefs?
Some are hard-coded, some are preferences. Generally speaking it's not hard
to convert the hard-coded stuff to preferences, but I'm trying to avoid
giving the user too many options. This should give you a good idea of what
is configurable at the moment:
Note that the defaults listed in that file are quite different from what
Krypton Anonymous ships with.
> > - Single tap to start a bundled Tor binary, and properly configure the
> > browsers proxy settings. Gave a fair amount of thought to UX and polish.
> Do you interact with the Tor Control port at all here? Or do you just
> re-write the torrc? Where is your tor handling located in the code?
When the user clicks the Tor icon this is roughly what happens:
- Change the proxy config
- Exec Tor with cmd line flags SOCKSPort auto, a DataDirectory and
ControlSocket located in the apps android data directory, and
__OwningControllerProcess mypid. I do not use a torrc.
- Try to connect to the control socket and get the socks port (GETINFO
net/listeners/socks), once we have the port change the proxy config to
VALID + socks5://127.0.0.1:PORT.
Most of this happens from the java side, which isn't on GitHub.
> > It's still early days, only builds for Android at the moment. Nobody has
> > seriously reviewed the code or black box tested. Lots of fingerprint
> > mitigation work still remains. Hoping to get feedback and suggestions for
> > improvement, and help.
> It looks like you've seen the Tor Browser design doc and the important
> Chrome Bugs links, but I'd like to point these sections out again as
> they have recently been updated:
> In particular, that fingerprinting section was just updated this past
> I also have an OpenWRT configuration I can give you to monitor for proxy
> leaks on an upstream router, but you need to be able to configure Tor
> Bridges to make use of it.
> Mike Perry
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