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Subject: Re: [tor-talk] tor browser speed.
From: Jan Nielsen <jan.nielsen135@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 20:35:50 -0600
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An upgrade from 25meg to 100 meg won't give you improved tor speed because
tor cannot handle anywhere near 100mbps. Fastest I usually see is around
1.5 to 2 MB/s. Well within reach of your old 25meg plan.

However, faster speeds are always better! So keep the 100meg connection and
consider donating some of that wonderful bandwidth to the tor network. The
safest and easiest way is to run a middle node.
On Oct 5, 2014 4:46 AM, "Jan Nielsen" <jan.nielsen135@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Your home connection is not the bottleneck when it comes to tor.
>
> Consider running a middle node!
> On Oct 5, 2014 3:08 AM, <tor-talk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>    1. Re: orWall 1.0.0 released! (Mike Perry)
>>    2. bbc horizons fairly recent Re:  Tor in the media (stn)
>>    3. Tech Report on Tor Growth [pdf] (Virgil Griffith)
>>    4. Re: Tech Report on Tor Growth [pdf] (stn)
>>    5. Re: Tech Report on Tor Growth [pdf] (Mirimir)
>>    6. Re: Tech Report on Tor Growth [pdf] (Virgil Griffith)
>>    7. Re: Tor Browser default window size (Hartmut Haase)
>>    8. Tor Browser speed (Hartmut Haase)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 15:27:12 -0700
>> From: Mike Perry <mikeperry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] orWall 1.0.0 released!
>> Message-ID: <20141004222712.GG9509@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>> CJ:
>> > On 04/10/14 00:27, Mike Perry wrote:
>> > > Also looking forward to the "Logs" window doing something :)
>> >
>> > Same for me. This part will be complicated due to different kernel
>> > capabilities:
>> > some supports LOG target, other NFLOG, and the latter doesn't provide
>> > any nflog reader in the ROM (heya, Cyanogenmod, you're brain-dead on
>> this!).
>> > Thus it means:
>> > - detecting which kind of log is supported
>> > - create some UI in order to activate logs (already have some ideas)
>> > - inject some binary in the system for nflog support
>> > - ? and many other things.
>>
>> Yeah, sounds messy. Though from the droidwall days, I thought that LOG +
>> dmesg was the common denominator, but I've been running Cyanogenmod for
>> a long time...
>>
>> > Maybe this can be avoided, as AFWall+ is considering providing some
>> > intents as API end-points. This would mean:
>> > - install orWall
>> > - install AFWall+
>> > and you'll get the best of both worlds, as AFWall will take care of the
>> > iptables and log interfaces, just executing orWall orders?
>>
>> Hrmm. Let's hope that AFWall is being careful with this.
>>
>> I get nervous when I hear that root apps are going to start exposing
>> APIs and Intents to configure stuff at the request of other apps.
>>
>> This is especially risky when we're talking about stuff like iptables
>> commands that are destined for shell/direct execution. There's just too
>> many ways to mess that up and open up potentially remote exploitable
>> root holes (which even webpages can sometimes exploit in the case of
>> Intents).
>>
>> --
>> Mike Perry
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 19:31:45 -0400
>> From: stn <stn@xxxxxx>
>> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tor-talk] bbc horizons fairly recent Re:  Tor in the media
>> Message-ID: <BEC60FF0-84E8-41F6-8D10-1F06D46FD12A@xxxxxx>
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>> robert pointed me back to the media archive at tor.  thanks.
>>
>> nice cache there.  i like how the OGV format doesn't take any time to
>> view over a browser in addition to its open/free nature. other formats or
>> containers include avi mov webm mp4.
>>
>> vlc seems to play everything so far.
>>
>> this video looks fairly recent ( this BBC season ) and includes another
>> identifyable activist who used tor and reasonably concluded it protected
>> her upon interrogation by secret police.
>>
>>
>> https://media.torproject.org/video/BBC%20Horizon%202014-2015%20Episode%204%20-%20Inside%20the%20Dark%20Web-fTjNkbLBEqg.mp4
>>
>> syrian activist
>> time
>> about 29:55 into vid.
>>
>> this video looks like an attempt to gently wake people up as well as (of
>> course) mentioning the  deep dark boogey net.
>>
>> a quick survey might categorize it the video?  ?
>>
>> traces networked anonymity concerns back to david chaum in early 80s.
>>
>> near the intro a journalist demos a smartphone on a street corner and
>> about 25 wifi hosts. that's allot of redundnant signal convergence
>> available for location estimation.
>>
>> unprotcted search concerns dealt with a pregnancy example and targetted
>> marketing.
>>
>> etc
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 16:57:03 -0700
>> From: Virgil Griffith <i@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [tor-talk] Tech Report on Tor Growth [pdf]
>> Message-ID:
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>> I hereby submit the following PDF as a Tor Tech Report.
>>
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3308162/tor%20growth.pdf
>>
>> I'll be providing the various raw data files to github/torproject shortly.
>>
>> Qualitative conclusions are the same.  The methodology is more
>> rigorous than it was before, some quantitative differences.  Most
>> notably:
>> * Lots of stuff in Tor increases exponentially.
>> * Absolute Torperf is increasingly nicely.
>> * Normalized Torperf (Torperf relative to non-tor speeds) increases
>> glacially.
>> * There's statistical evidence that an injection of advertised
>> bandwidth would reliably improve Torperf performance.
>>
>> For non-policy makers, I think the main contribution I am offering is
>> a list of the various Tor growth rates (page 4, table 2)
>>
>> -V
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 20:22:13 -0400
>> From: stn <stn@xxxxxx>
>> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Tech Report on Tor Growth [pdf]
>> Message-ID: <F768807D-0AB1-4AFE-A923-7F9CE206F973@xxxxxx>
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>>
>> thanks so much virgil.
>> both report and posting dataset.
>>
>> steve
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2014, at 7:57 PM, Virgil Griffith wrote:
>>
>> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3308162/tor%20growth.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 21:53:39 -0600
>> From: Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Tech Report on Tor Growth [pdf]
>> Message-ID: <5430C0C3.4000805@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> On 10/04/2014 05:57 PM, Virgil Griffith wrote:
>> > I hereby submit the following PDF as a Tor Tech Report.
>> >
>> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3308162/tor%20growth.pdf
>> >
>> > I'll be providing the various raw data files to github/torproject
>> shortly.
>> >
>> > Qualitative conclusions are the same.  The methodology is more
>> > rigorous than it was before, some quantitative differences.  Most
>> > notably:
>> > * Lots of stuff in Tor increases exponentially.
>> > * Absolute Torperf is increasingly nicely.
>> > * Normalized Torperf (Torperf relative to non-tor speeds) increases
>> glacially.
>> > * There's statistical evidence that an injection of advertised
>> > bandwidth would reliably improve Torperf performance.
>> >
>> > For non-policy makers, I think the main contribution I am offering is
>> > a list of the various Tor growth rates (page 4, table 2)
>>
>> I've noticed something relevant to current discussion about Tor use.
>>
>> | Figure 8: Network Utilization Ratio (NUR) falls into three distinct
>> | stages. Within each stage the fitted line is essentially flat. What
>> | happened on 2013-10-08 and 2014-06-06!? The only thing we see is
>> | that on 2014-06-05 (one day prior) the EFF began their Tor Challenge.
>>
>> Silk Road was taken down by the FBI on 2014-10-02.[0] The site still
>> loaded, however, showing a "This Hidden Site Has Been Seized" message.
>> And so it probably took a few days for most users to get the news.
>>
>> Also, contemplating Figure 8, there may be a discontinuity at about July
>> 2013, when they took down Freedom Hosting.[1]
>>
>> I'm not aware of anything major in May-June of this year.
>>
>> [0]
>> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-October/030268.html
>> [1] http://www.wired.com/2013/09/freedom-hosting-fbi/
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 21:22:18 -0700
>> From: Virgil Griffith <i@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Tech Report on Tor Growth [pdf]
>> Message-ID:
>>         <
>> CADop2NHUAcOdKGK88JcbQRSspALfTfU0CjxZEv7yeswBgmnWeg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>>
>> I will look at the "read bandwidth" data to see whether these sites going
>> down was the primary cause.  But first impression it looks like that on
>> those dates "read bandwidth" went down as well as "advertised bandwidth"
>> went up.
>>
>> -V
>>
>> On Saturday, October 4, 2014, Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> > On 10/04/2014 05:57 PM, Virgil Griffith wrote:
>> > > I hereby submit the following PDF as a Tor Tech Report.
>> > >
>> > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3308162/tor%20growth.pdf
>> > >
>> > > I'll be providing the various raw data files to github/torproject
>> > shortly.
>> > >
>> > > Qualitative conclusions are the same.  The methodology is more
>> > > rigorous than it was before, some quantitative differences.  Most
>> > > notably:
>> > > * Lots of stuff in Tor increases exponentially.
>> > > * Absolute Torperf is increasingly nicely.
>> > > * Normalized Torperf (Torperf relative to non-tor speeds) increases
>> > glacially.
>> > > * There's statistical evidence that an injection of advertised
>> > > bandwidth would reliably improve Torperf performance.
>> > >
>> > > For non-policy makers, I think the main contribution I am offering is
>> > > a list of the various Tor growth rates (page 4, table 2)
>> >
>> > I've noticed something relevant to current discussion about Tor use.
>> >
>> > | Figure 8: Network Utilization Ratio (NUR) falls into three distinct
>> > | stages. Within each stage the fitted line is essentially flat. What
>> > | happened on 2013-10-08 and 2014-06-06!? The only thing we see is
>> > | that on 2014-06-05 (one day prior) the EFF began their Tor Challenge.
>> >
>> > Silk Road was taken down by the FBI on 2014-10-02.[0] The site still
>> > loaded, however, showing a "This Hidden Site Has Been Seized" message.
>> > And so it probably took a few days for most users to get the news.
>> >
>> > Also, contemplating Figure 8, there may be a discontinuity at about July
>> > 2013, when they took down Freedom Hosting.[1]
>> >
>> > I'm not aware of anything major in May-June of this year.
>> >
>> > [0]
>> >
>> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-October/030268.html
>> > [1] http://www.wired.com/2013/09/freedom-hosting-fbi/
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>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 11:03:23 +0200
>> From: Hartmut Haase <hha4491@xxxxxx>
>> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser default window size
>> Message-ID: <5431095B.8040005@xxxxxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi,
>> > I have learned so far that the Tor Browser does not store the used
>> > window size like other programs do, becaus it always start with the same
>> > size.
>> at the moment Tor (3.6.6) starts with the last used window size but
>> after 1 second it switches to the default size. Why?
>> --
>> Viele Gr??e,
>> Hartmut
>>
>> Hungerhilfe: http://www.thehungersite.com
>>
>> Ohne Zensur suchen:
>> http://suche.amnesty-bergedorf.de
>> Googeln ohne Google:
>> https://www.startpage.com/deu
>>
>> Das heutige Motto:
>> Ein Narr tut, was er nicht lassen kann;
>> ein Weiser l??t, was er nicht tun kann.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 11:07:54 +0200
>> From: Hartmut Haase <hha4491@xxxxxx>
>> To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [tor-talk] Tor Browser speed
>> Message-ID: <54310A6A.3010000@xxxxxx>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have upgraded my intenet connection from 25 Mbit/s to 100 Mbit/s, but
>> the Tor Browser das not work faster. Why not?
>> --
>> Viele Gr??e,
>> Hartmut
>>
>> Hungerhilfe: http://www.thehungersite.com
>>
>> Ohne Zensur suchen:
>> http://suche.amnesty-bergedorf.de
>> Googeln ohne Google:
>> https://www.startpage.com/deu
>>
>> Das heutige Motto:
>> Bis Du gelernt hast zu leben, ist es bereits zu sp?t.
>>
>>
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