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 Depends what you mean by you want to be tracked. Through normal internet? Tor? Through the normal internet, just freshly install windows 10 and then install an ethernet capture device so you can show your class how many connections to microsoft it makes. That's the simplest method to demonstrate the dangers of being tracked, since sending data to Microsoft you don't know what they consider data (your life, news interests, porn habits, etc). If it's through Tor, I'll pass that along to someone else with more experience, but tracking through Tor is possible. Just hard I believe (harder than Mr Robot makes it out to be).


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>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 13:30:57 -0400
>From: Idel Martinez Ramos < idel-a@xxxxxxxxxxx >
>To: " tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx " < tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >
>Subject: [tor-talk] Question
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>Hello!
>I'm an 11th grade student and I'm doing a science fair about Anonymity on the
>Internet. Now, even though it is not possible, it can be partly achieved. I'll
>be using different programs, add-ons. settings, etc. to figure out if I can be
>tracked. I was wondering if I could get assistance from you guys since you must
>know a lot about the subject.
>
>Thanks 		 	   		 
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 19:50:20 +0200
>From: Flipchan < flipchan@xxxxxxxxxx >
>To:  tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Question
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>Sure man :) email me 
>
>Idel Martinez Ramos < idel-a@xxxxxxxxxxx > skrev: (11 oktober 2015 19:30:57 CEST)
>>Hello!
>>I'm an 11th grade student and I'm doing a science fair about Anonymity
>>on the
>>Internet. Now, even though it is not possible, it can be partly
>>achieved. I'll
>>be using different programs, add-ons. settings, etc. to figure out if I
>>can be
>>tracked. I was wondering if I could get assistance from you guys since
>>you must
>>know a lot about the subject.
>>
>>Thanks 		 	   		 
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>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 01:52:12 +0300
>From: s7r < s7r@xxxxxxxxxx >
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>Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Question
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>Hello,
>
>Maybe the assistance you require might feel a lot more comfortable in
>an instant message environment as opposite to email / mail lists.
>
>I recommend you jump on IRC, in #tor channel on irc.oftc.net network -
>there are nice people there who could answer some questions if you are
>patient.
>
>On 10/11/2015 8:50 PM, Flipchan wrote:
>> Sure man :) email me
>> 
>> Idel Martinez Ramos < idel-a@xxxxxxxxxxx > skrev: (11 oktober 2015
>> 19:30:57 CEST)
>>> Hello! I'm an 11th grade student and I'm doing a science fair
>>> about Anonymity on the Internet. Now, even though it is not
>>> possible, it can be partly achieved. I'll be using different
>>> programs, add-ons. settings, etc. to figure out if I can be 
>>> tracked. I was wondering if I could get assistance from you guys
>>> since you must know a lot about the subject.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 17:36:22 -0700
>From: coderman < coderman@xxxxxxxxx >
>To: tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Idel Martinez Ramos
>< idel-a@xxxxxxxxxxx >
>Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Question
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>On 10/11/15, Idel Martinez Ramos < idel-a@xxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
>> Hello!
>> I'm an 11th grade student and I'm doing a science fair about Anonymity
>
>it would be fun to compare different Tor configurations:
>Â- Tor Browser
>Â- TAILS
>Â- Whonix / Whonix-Qubes
>Â- Qubes-TorVM
>Â- TransProxy [
>https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TransparentProxy ]
>
>have fun!
>
>
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>
>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 09:35:00 +0200
>From: "Tom A." < thomasasta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >
>To:  cryptography@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>Cc:  tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [tor-talk] Fwd: Adaptive Echo (AE) Routing & Alibi Routing
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>> Hello,
>
>>
>
>> for your further research: reports about Geo Location Routing
>
>>
>
>>  https://alibi.cs.umd.edu/
>
>>  http://www.heise.de/tr/artikel/Surfen-mit-Alibi-2806120.html
>
>>
>http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Alibi-Routing-Peer-to-Peer-Technik-zur-Nutzer-Kontrolle-des-Datenverkehrs-2826970.html
>
>>
>
>> could add or compare and give credit/reference, that this is already
>invented and is called Adaptive Echo (AE) Routing:
>
>> The Echo Tokens (instead of the token example "white pebbles") can be
>*geographical location numbers*, e.g. Token "39.9522229,-75.1954024"
>
>> for University of Pennsylvania. All traffic within the echo protocoll
>tagged with this Geo-Token will be only passed along p2p nodes,
>
>> which know the Geo-Info.
>
>>
>
>> Adaptive Echo Routing Graphic:
>
>>
>https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldBug_ (Instant_Messenger)#/media/File:Adaptive_Echo.png
>
>>
>
>> Description of Adaptive Echo Routing
>
>>
>https://github.com/textbrowser/spot-on/blob/master/branches/trunk/Documentation/Spot-On.pdf
>
>>
>
>> Node Installation for Testings:
>
>>  http://sourceforge.net/projects/spot-on/files/
>
>>
>
>> Interesting, to merge the further ideas, as the echo protocol offers
>encypted routing.
>
>
>July 13, 2014: Adaptive Echo Release, and SIGCOMM ?15, August 17?21, 2015,
>London, United Kingdom
>
>
>http://www.heise.de/forum/Technology-Review/News-Kommentare/Alibi-Routing-Peer-to-Peer-Technik-zur-Nutzer-Kontrolle-des-Datenverkehrs/Alibi-Routing-Adaptive-Echo-Routing-already-invented/posting-23802646/show/
>
>
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>
>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 13:54:43 +0200
>From: Malte < malte@xxxxxxx >
>To:  tor-talk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Question
>Message-ID: <1656139.LrXMTEDhSW@localhost>
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>On Sunday 11 October 2015 17:36 coderman wrote:
>> On 10/11/15, Idel Martinez Ramos < idel-a@xxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
>> > Hello!
>> > I'm an 11th grade student and I'm doing a science fair about Anonymity
>> 
>> it would be fun to compare different Tor configurations:
>>  - Tor Browser
>>  - TAILS
>>  - Whonix / Whonix-Qubes
>>  - Qubes-TorVM
>>  - TransProxy 
>
>(And since we are talking about high school students, I would add 
>Orbot+Orfox.)
>
>
>Yeah. I imagine two monitors next to each other, one displaying the HTTP 
>requests as the server receives them the other one being used by the attendees 
>to use the same web page from different clients.
>
>To visualize the differences you might set the first display up to who the last 
>to requests, compared via "dwdiff -c -P file1 file2" (or something similar).
>
>
>A second step could then be to go into the wild Internet and show people how 
>website deliver different pages depeding on different features of the requests 
>(user agent, language, country of origin of the IP, etc.).
>
>This would also give you an angle to rope in people who are not interested in 
>anonymity per se, but are pissed when they are discriminated against.
>
>
>> have fun!
>
>+1
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Malte
>
>
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