Re: [pygame] PyGame Runtime

[Charles Joseph Christie II <sonicbhoc@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Tuesday 08 May 2007 11:05:07 am James Paige wrote:
> On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 11:45:13AM +1000, Cameron Blackwood wrote:
> > Hi, long time reader, first time caller... (well ok, second time :)
> >
> > James Paige writes:
> >   | > On Tue, 8 May 2007, James Paige wrote:
> >   | > > When packaging for Linux, you should NOT be trying to bundle in a
> >   | > > copy of python and pygame and all other dependencies. You should
> >   | > > instead use a packaging format which simply describes the
> >   | > > packages/versions that it depends on. The package manager handles
> >   | > > the rest.
> >
> > To james I say.....
> >
> > Ive had nightmares with rpm's and even a couple of problems with
> > ebuilds. You download 26M of ogre/pyogre only to find you need to forward
> > your version of libfoo.rpm. Oh, but that breaks your appbar.rpm. Oh and I
> > need to upgrade my glibc.rpm. Again. :-/
> >
> > Frankly, getting dependany stuff sorted for pyweek is a nightmare
> > (even under gentoo, gentoo often rolls their packages forward too
> > quickly so older, slower to update libraries have dependancy stuff
> > that isnt around in portage any more).
> >
> > For linux, people seem to 'chase' the 100% latest version of some of
> > these libraries, which is ok for slowly changing ones, but it sucks
> > for ones that have a version a week.
> >
> > Windows doesnt have the dependancy problem that linux has (or the
> > constant version increases) but unless you have a compiler
> > you're stuck with the packages that you can _find_, which arnt always
> > easily available. *cough* pygame-1.8 */cough* :)
> >
> > Getting ogre and some of the bigger libraries compiled on linux is,
> > and Ill be nice here, not exactly easy. Oh and I work as a linux
> > sysadmin. Yes I could have sat there for hours and worked it out, but you
> > know, to tryout/run _one_ pyweek entry, it really wasnt worth it.
> >
> > (And before you ask, this was on a gentoo system... it didnt complain
> > about dependancy errors, it just failed to build 1/2 way through.
> > Yay!)
>
> Interesting. I used to use RPMs on Redhat back in the 1999-2001 range,
> but I gave it up because of dependency hell-- I had simply assumed that
> the Fedora Project had solved those problems since then. I have been
> using Debian and/or Ubuntu ever since. .deb based packaging systems are
> always really good about keeping old versions of libraries available...
>
> I'm having a hard time thinking of a single instance of dependency
> problems in my entire .deb experience that didn't involve a
> manually-installed program... Perhaps I was mistaken to say that .rpm
> and .ebuild are just as good as .deb...
>
> ---
> James Paige

The way Gentoo handles .ebuild is very good. I've never had a problem with 
deps aside from one issue where there was a dep missing that caused a build 
to fail. One issue in about 3 or 4 years is pretty good!