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Re: [school-discuss] Putting all of our ideas together (was "M$ Elevate America")



I can attend NECC this year and would love to meet and discuss with others there.  

On Jan 26, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Bryant Patten wrote:

How many members of this discussion will be going to NECC this year?  If we are all going to be there, I can get us a space.

Bryant

On Jan 26, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Joan Davis wrote:

One option is to have a workshop where we could meet in person, discuss ideas, and make plans to move forward. I've attended and heard of NSF sponsoring such workshops. For example, Humanitarian-FOSS (hfoss.org) receives NSF funding. Another example is a workshop that NSF sponsored for folks interested in researching and developing Virtual Instructors. At the Virtual Instructors workshop, grant funding covered the cost of airfare, lodging, and meals for most participants. I'd be willing to work with others to pursue this option. Given the recent news from D.C. about funding technology in education, we might have a good chance of getting funding: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/25/technology/25center.html

Any other suggestions or options to pursue?

Joan

On Jan 26, 2010, at 8:54 AM, <marilyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <marilyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I finally took the time to read through all the threads.  What a bunch of great ideas!

It seems to me we need someone whose passion is to link us all together.  Don't know how it would be done.

I appreciate the advice I get from this group, but apart from you guys, I feel pretty alone - teaching digital graphics, video, and music using Linux.  My favorite tool is still the Musix live DVD, and now also on USB.  Ubuntu-Studio on the desktop . . . Classes on Moodle . . . Blender, the Gimp, Cinelerra, Drupal, Audacity, Ardour . . . all wonderful tools.  Just finally put Sugar on a live CD - and WOW is that plain fabulous, especially for my children in elementary school.

Currently, my main focus is on modifying everything for dyslexic students (my kids are dyslexic).  So we have text-to-speech on Firefox, using the FoxVox addon.  Audio books from http://librivox.org and displayed well on http://booksshouldbefree.com.  Using the OMusix addon in Firefox so kids can follow the html text, courtesy http://gutenberg.org, as they listen to the audio book.  Taking advantage of other great software like TuxPaint.  The EeePC/Linux version is such a wonderful tool for my dyslexic daughter, age 10 . . . too bad that Microsoft leaned on Asus so they don't even make them anymore.

I'd really like to get http://highschoolcourseexchange.org up and running.  It would require FOSS.  I have had some email conversations with Rich B. at http://connexions.org and think their work with Open Educational Resources could contribute to that end. 

So . . . my next  class is coming.  :)

Marilyn

 

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:38:57 -0800, Joan Davis <joand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I agree that as far as P-12 education is concerned, curriculum is the key. I've worked and studied in the learning/educational technology research field for several years now. A common complaint among ed tech researchers is that great learning software is developed, research is conducted, and then the software is shelved as researchers move on to other work. Some of the projects are tied to curricula, while others are more exploratory. Perhaps some of these earlier learning technology projects could be included in the clearing house that Lee's described, too. Also, I think it would be important to link open source software to existing curricula, too.
Joan
 
On Jan 26, 2010, at 6:53 AM, lee rodgers wrote:

Hi Jo,

Curricula seems to me the missing link in gaining broader adoption. The need already is stretching beyond digital media - it's becoming fully multidisciplinary w/ the protean ubiquity of technology far beyond just basic multimedia & animation (digital microscopes, PC/book projectors, OCR/scanners, tablets, color laser printers...).

Thinking about the original comment about certification, perhaps in K-12 this matters more b/c the skill set required to handle all these tech issues is a steep overhead for most educators. So lacking a curriculum we get a barrier to adoption, but a digital K-16 curriculum would cover a great deal of ground. 

I suppose I'm thinking of a Wiki-based online clearing house then, easily organized to meet needs by topic & age/grade level. There'd be standards for the curricula, courseware & lesson plans with reviewers for each specialty teaming on the various sections. 

A couple of existing K-12 projects come to mind. 

Already the California Open Source Textbook project & El Paso ISD are working (separately) on open source textbooks & curricula for K-12 here in the USA. My impression is that COST has some substantial backing & the EPISD is being pushed by its superintendent, asking EPISD faculty to author their own texts & curricula. The focus, however, is mostly on the 3 R's, science & humanities with the obvious missing component being digital media, devices & services.

I conversed w/ the fellow that runs the TeachJ blog ( http://teachj.wordpress.com ), got into a session about open source, limitations, Linux, ec. He sees a lack of decent or broad curricula as a barrier to justifying FL/OSS in his computer labs (he's running a Macintosh lab...). When I showed him CinePaint's abilities (full CMYK, etc.) he agreed that it'd serve his students very well in & out of the lab BUT the problem was twofold: Not Macintosh (standard GIMP is headed toward full 16/24-bit CMYK but not there yet) and no curriculum to justify dual-boot on PC's. Although he already uses some open source in his labs like Kompozer (Nvu), his advanced students find themselves hitting the limits of the tool, so it's a mix & match situation for many instructors in the higher grades.**

/lee

**[makes me think ... with increased availability of any WYSIWYG html editing tool wouldn't overall interest & demand for a thorough tool like DreamWeaver actually increase, benefiting MacroMedia? Increasing the ubiquity of FL/OSS in K-12 seems a win-win to me...... :-) ]

From: Joanne Long <jcl_1111@xxxxxxxxx>
To: schoolforge-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 2:10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [school-discuss] M$ Elevate America

Lee

This sounds like a great idea. I have just started a small business selling open hardware devices for science labs. Currently it looks like we will be consulting about 50% with some big research institutes to work on custom software/hardware, but I am particularly interested in open hardware for science education. I worked in K-12 education before starting the business and have been brainstorming how best to implement the use of open hardware in education. We were thinking along the lines of selling kits with curriculum, but I would be really interested in joining a co-op type structure where we could contribute Labs and hardware for students and schools. We are still in the early stages, but once we have some tried and tested products we will be putting together manuals and tutorials and would love to contribute to a program or movement such as you described. We have also looked at grants/SBIRs to fund some of this work.

Jo


From: lee rodgers <sregdoreel@xxxxxxxxx>
To: schoolforge-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 8:02:24 AM
Subject: Re: [school-discuss] M$ Elevate America

Hi Joan, Bryant
 
Thanks for your comments.

Thinking in terms of outcomes & trying to not rant (as is my tendency...):

Infrastructure: 

Goals:

-Boiler-plate servers, workstation, & USB flash drive images (portable freeware...). Would include related manuals, curricula & best practices for users & admins (even if implemented by local service vendors). 

-Servers/services: On this part I recommend everyone take a continued look at the Karoshi Linux distro. It enables power users to run a school network, intranet & edu portal using Linux, includes LDAP/SAMBA network domain, LTSP, Moodle portal & many other intranet & LAN services that an independent school could want. I used it w/ a SOHO router, 60 workstations on-campus, worked great (in Texas...).

-"Free labs" hosted by interested organizations. 

Software:

-A fairly complete free, shareware, FL/OSS & abandonware repository, links to reasonably priced commercial to fill in the gaps. Example: The Flash animator Swish, which doesn't cost $600 like MM Flash & is still excellent. The old abandonware Lifeswif would work but is rather bare bones, lacks a working manual... 

Curricula: 

-K-12 curricula for digital media, including "train the trainer" materials. Enlist user groups to write curricula, set curricula templates, rubrics, scope & sequence, & standards.

-Best practices for teaching digital media (hardware, classroom setups). 

[The scope of Windows apps is surprising. I have a repository of dozens of free & FL/OSS *Windows* programs (dating back a few years now), some were science, maths, unusual finds. During my year of teaching digital media I used quite a few of them, even found already-existing curricula from around the world for FL/OSS tools like GeoGebra. I found that almost all of the apps were either already portable (runs on USB stick) or could be made to run portably (java apps, TuxPaint, etc...).]

Funding:

On the foundation/grant side, the emphases would be on grassroots education, digital media education, workforce dev, resource ubiquity & ethical computing, increased public-driven digital media. 

Is it feasible for enough of us to give the world a wake up call, either start a nonprofit or coop w/ one already existing, acquire physical host sites (demo labs) & apply for grants? 

Movement:

Seems that the open source world sees this as a side issue or narrow interest (which it isn't). However it's too much to ask of one person, too much to risk & not enough clout from a single advocate. 

I threw a great deal of time into it at two different schools & I have to admit it was a very steep curve & couldn't enlist a serious successor or partner in each case. 

It's only my impression but I still feel that open source in education is still stuck in the "idea" phase with a handful of early pioneers. It may require some serious sponsors to lend their weight to the effort to get it to catch on. Just as Linus Torvalds enlisted help from other people & smartly turned it into a movement, maybe a similar clever co-op mindset would create the critical mass necessary?

To this day my kids' current schools lack OOo on their system desktops at school. I suspect that most of this probably stems from administrative confusion about fiduciary & IP liabilities, but what a world it would be were some notable sponsors to help push FL/OSS in education (i.e. Oracle w/ OpenOffice )?

/lee



From: Joan Davis <joand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: schoolforge-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 11:02:34 AM
Subject: Re: [school-discuss] M$ Elevate America

Thanks for your email, Lee. 
A friend and I have been brainstorming how to start a small company or organization to do some of what you described, particularly provide support, training, documentation, and customized  software for P-16 educational institutions. Our personal interests are more related to open source integration in teaching and learning activities than to technology infrastructure and school administration. During our brainstorming, we came to a similar conclusion as you that the revolution will have to come from small public schools and districts, private schools, and charter schools. We haven't made much progress because she has a full-time job, I'm in my last year of graduate school, and neither of us has the start-up funds to get things moving.  
However, I (and probably my friend) am willing to contribute to a group effort. I think having a funded organization--similar to the Apache Software Foundation perhaps--will be important for sustaining the effort.  I recall reading that some U.S. government agencies has funded projects related to open source projects. The Humanitarian FOSS project (http://hfoss.org/), funded by  the National Science Foundation, is one example. 
Regards,
Joan
On Jan 23, 2010, at 6:34 AM, lee rodgers wrote:


This is the kind of discussion that I've been looking for, the reason I joined this mailing list years back. 

For K-12 schools what is missing is a stable, working clearing house & interest from the FL/OSS community. It would also require some real funding, working disk images, how-to's & hands-on laboratories, & a plan to get it into the hands of school users & admins. 

From what I see the education profession is talking out of their butts about digital media. The school districts IT dept's have it sweet. The districts go for weird frills like smart boards & expensive drawing tablets instead of understanding ubiquity. If you pin them down on using commercial software & the problem of homework & bootleg software, their eyes glaze over. 

As a teacher at a small school I ran into a real need that - as far as I know - has not yet been met. I was able to roll up my sleeves & improvise, building a digital media lab with a mix of Linux & Windows. It was a rough ride in spots but it was doable, I did it for a charter school. I saved easily a few thousand dollars in server, workstation & software licenses on 70 workstations & 3 servers. I would restart the project again - I also did a lot of development at a private school a couple of years back - but instead it looks like I'm going back to SQL database administration for now. If I could find interest locally or funding I'd be back in it.

From what I can see the revolution will have to come from small schools, from below, the small districts, indep. private & charter schools. If someone can come up with a plan, endorsements & some funding, I'm interested in working on the effort again. 

/Lee


From: Bryant Patten <opensource@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: schoolforge-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 5:06:20 PM
Subject: Re: [school-discuss] M$ Elevate America


On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Tim Dressel wrote:

> Being one that has both feet intermingling with FLOSS and the
> commercial side, I think you are right, it is important that the FLOSS
> community step up to the plate to put together a comprehensive
> training package, course list, and promotional materials.

In the K-12 space, there are several of us scattered around the U.S. that are trying to bring the INGOTs program ( www.theingots.org ) to the U.S.  This would cover the student certification.

Does anyone know the current state of the Red Hat Academy initiative?

After the Open Minds conference, Vern Ceder and I talk with Jim Lacey, the head of the Linux Professional Institute, about some kind of teacher certification for FOSS experience.  He seemed open to exploring the idea and maybe now is the time to pursue it.

> 
> I would enjoy being part of a group that could create a package
> similar to the Elevate America portal

Count me in.

Bryant

*****

Bryant Patten
Executive Director
The National Center for Open Source and Education
www.ncose.org