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I see. One more question. Red Hat offers indemnification protection for it's customers, where if a patent suite is filed against the user of Red Hat, Red Hat will pay legal fees, and supply resources to fight the case. If I create a distro based on fedora, and get sued for patent violations, Red Hat will not protect me. How is this different?
Seems that this is the same except sub name Red Hat for name Novell. This only difference is that Red Hat protects its customers from every lawsuit, and Novell has only worked out a plan to protect it's users from MS lawsuits.



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?????????|Praveen wrote:
2006/11/9, Chris Gregan <cgregan@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:cgregan@xxxxxxxxxxx>>:
 > I was under the impression that Novell had to be protected from
 > litigation itself, for the GPL to be violated? If Microsoft agrees not
 > to sue Suse users/developers/community members, how does that violate
 > the GPL? If I sign an agreement not to sue members of schoolforge, even
 > though I have no means to do so, that violates the GPL? I guess I am
 > seriously confused about what the GPL is supposed to protect us from. It
 > is being assumed that if you are not a Novell customer, you are now in a
 > position of restriction, but nothing has changed. We are all in the same
 > position we were all in before last week. The only difference is that
 > Microsoft has committed not to sue project developers and users of
 > components found in Suse Linux. Since they had no means to do so in the
 > first place I'm not sure how this violates GPL since there is not
 > restriction imposed. You are still free to download, use, and share all
 > the distros you want without any added restriction whatsoever.
 >

Section 7 is pretty straight forward to understand.

> >>> Then, read Section 7 of the GPL that you think Novell feels bound by and
> >>> would never violate:
> >>> If, as a consequence of a court judgment or allegation of patent
> >>> infringement or for any other reason (not limited to patent issues),
> >>> conditions are imposed on you (whether by court order, agreement or
> >>> otherwise) that contradict the conditions of this License, they do not
> >>> excuse you from the conditions of this License. If you cannot distribute
> >>> so as to satisfy simultaneously your obligations under this License and
> >>> any other pertinent obligations, then as a consequence you may not
> >>> distribute the Program at all. For example, if a patent license would not
> >>> permit royalty-free redistribution of the Program by all those who
> >>> receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you
> >>> could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from
> >>> distribution of the Program.


Specifically

"For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Program by all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the Program ."

Its clear that MS license doesn't permit royalty-free redistribution (protection valid only for Novell customers). So if you get a copy of a program from SUSE which MS claims to be infringing their patents and if you give that copy to me I'm not protected from MS patent threats.

GPL clearly states either you give protection to all users (not just to your customers) who recieves copies or does not offer protection at all.

Hope this clarifies the issue.

Regards
Praveen
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