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Re: [seul-edu] ISO evals

Hey Guys,

To encourage everyone on how important this project is, I just had a
phone consultation with a school district in California. They were very
interested in Linux and have started to setup test systems. The
educational software coordinator, Nondra, was having a very hard time
finding the good educational applications that run on Linux. I let her
know about this project and am going to send her a Freeduc CD. However I
don't know the content of the Freeduc CD, I am sure they do not have all
the educational applications on the CD. The school officials that are
considering using Linux desperately NEED a good source for the
educational software that is available. They need some thing that makes
it easier for them to get hands on and demo software, it would be a
nightmare to go all over the internet to get the available software. 

So I am letting you know that the frontlines need this tool. Thanks for
everyone's work.

Regards :),
Jonathan Hughes
Linux In Education Portal

On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 05:16, Doug Loss wrote:
> Darryl Palmer wrote:
> > I am not talking about us never having software that is non-free on the
> > ISO CD, I am saying that we should not have non-free software on THIS
> > ISO CD.  Any software that is non-free or has a strange license
> > agreement that doesn't allow unlimited distribution and modification is
> > a problem.  It is easier for all software that falls in this category to
> > be conditionally added to the ISO rather than all of non-free software
> > being on the CD and we conditionally remove the ones that cause us
> > problems.  Any license agreement that is not-free will have to be
> > examined carefully to determine what its impact will be on the CD
> > distribution, Internet download, 3rd party distribution, and custom
> > modifications for Linux distribution and/or FHS compliance.
> > 
> I've been following this discussion and I think I may see a way to "have 
> our cake and eat it too."  Doesn't Debian maintain a section for 
> non-free software that doesn't meet their guidelines but that they 
> acknowledge may be of interest to some people?  Perhaps we should keep 
> the basic ISO to just the apps that are Free/Open Source, but maintain a 
> separate section (as a separate ISO) for things like XEphem, xplns, etc.
> > Java2 applications will make PhaseIV more challenging.  By removing them
> > now it will be easier.
> > 
> We'll have to deal with them sooner or later, though.  Of course, let's 
> not rush into things rather than working out the best way to integrate them.
> > I thought one of the goals was to have something for Doug and other
> > SEUL/edu people to hand out at the NECC conference this year.  The
> > conference is 12 weeks from Monday and if we need a lead time of a week
> > or two for CD production, we have only 10 weeks to not only perform
> > Phase 3, but also Phase 4.  If handing out CDs at NECC this year is not
> > necessary or not practical, then there is no problem if we extend this
> > ISO project for the rest of year.
> > 
> Having something to hand out at NECC was one of my (personal) goals, 
> although I don't think it was a major one for the project as a whole. 
> However, in thinking about it I realized that our ISO probably wouldn't 
> be the appropriate hand-out for that conference.  It will presuppose an 
> existing Linux installation, as it won't include Linux itself.  This is 
> probably something we can't expect in any great numbers from the 
> attendees at this conference.  I think OSEF's and OFSET's Knoppix-based 
> bootable CDs with educational apps on them are much better to use as 
> introductions to Linux in education for the non-Linux-aware educators we 
> expect to see at NECC.  Since Harry McGregor from OSEF will be there, I 
> think we'll assist him in handing out the OSEF CD, and I may see if I 
> can burn a useful amount of the Freeduc CD too.
> So don't feel too much pressure from NECC as a deadline.  Having said 
> that, don't of course assume that we can take all the time in the world 
> to work on this; we do need to keep progressing if we're ever to create 
> a usable product.
Jonathan Hughes <declaretruth@yahoo.com>
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