Re: [novalug] Re: [seul-edu] Young Linuxers - Too hard? No way!

[Chuck Moss <mossc@mnsinc.com>]

Not sure who asked the original question for more info on kickstart.

I have been working with it a lot lately.  Here are the URLs I have
collected.

http://www.samag.com/linux/articles/v09/i01/a2.shtml
http://www.fezbox.com/
http://www.redhat.com/mirrors/LDP/HOWTO/KickStart-HOWTO-5.html
http://www.redhat.com/corp/support/manuals/RHL-6.1-Manual/ref-guide/ch-kickstart.html
http://www.redhat.com/support/manuals/RHL-6.1-Manual/ref-guide/ch-kickstart.html#S1-KICKSTART-PUTKICKSTARTHERE
http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-1999-12/lw-12-kickstart.html
http://wwwcache.ja.net/dev/kickstart/

A couple of the URLs are quickie articles. they are good for an overview.

There are a few glitches/inconsistancies with different versions.  The new
features in Redhat 6.2 beta look useful.  I have versions of files that
work inder 6.0, 6.1 and 6.2. if you want more samples.

Seems like a good subject for a novalug meeting.....

Later,

Chuck Moss


On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 07:11:28PM -0500, Karl wrote:
> Rakis--
> 
> I am running out the door, to go on vacation for a few days, so I will
> re-reply to this point upon my return.
> 
> But to be very brief: people are not lazy, lazy-people are lazy.  The kids
> themselves, and students are fighting hard, and working hard to get it
> into the schools, and they are succeeding across the board.
> 
> Search on LinuxToday.com for an article about 'linux in higher education'
> that came out today, and if you go to linux.com you will find even more
> articles on open source in education. The energy and momentum is there.
> 
> What free source has taught me is that people are open to work, share, and
> learn with/from each other, and that you should probably never pin
> yourself down by using the word 'can't".
> 
> You can find out your info about 'kickstart' , also, at linux.com, just go
> to the search box and type 'kickstart'. You may also find it on RedHat's
> site.
> 
> 
> I'll re-reply to any additional points when I step of my return-flight.
> 
> Have a great week(end),
> 
>   Karl
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> raptor.slc.edu    -- Sarah Lawrence College '99
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
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> 
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> 
> On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Rakis wrote:
> 
> > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:34:46 -0600
> > From: Rakis <rakis@wt.net>
> > To: Karl <jackal@raptor.slc.edu>
> > Cc: seul-edu@seul.org
> > Subject: Re: [seul-edu] Young Linuxers - Too hard? No way!
> > 
> > On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, you wrote:
> > > Rakis,
> > > 
> > > This past friday, at the YHSLUG meeting in Virginia (yhslug.tux.org), we
> > > watched a small presentation, from a sophmore at Yorktown HS, on how to
> > > set up and use KICKSTART to set up workstations and networks, quickly, and
> > > easily. 
> > 	
> > 	I haven't heard of "Kickstart" before, nor could I find any info on it
> > during a quick search. Would you happen to have a URL handy?
> > 
> > > You are right, Rakis: conceptually, setting up a linux lab is simple.
> > > 
> > > But I disagree with you that it is 'too hard to set up' a linux lab in
> > > practice.  There are thousands of students and a few special schools doing
> > > it.
> > 	I'm well aware that many people are setting it up in their schools, I
> > started helping my old high school with it several years ago. However, I do
> > believe the point is valid. Let's face it, people are lazy. If it's not easy to
> > do, it's not going to catch on. There is a reason why Solaris is not used in
> > the k-12 environment today. It's just too complex for the average user. While
> > many schools will find motivated students and staff that would be willing to
> > spend countless hours trying to get things to work, there will be thousands of
> > others that will not.
> > 	There is also the problem that many of these networks will not be
> > very stable. While faculty and students are hashing it out with the HOWTOs and
> > man pages, many programs will be unreliable. While the end result would likely
> > be a rock solid setup, many administrators would get frustrated by initial
> > problems.
> > 	The only point I'm trying to make is that Linux will not make much of
> > an an entrance into the educational system while its configuration remains as
> > difficult as it does today. Well written tutorials, and examples will help but
> > they simply will not be enough. 
> > 
> > 	Rakis
> > 
> 
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