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[seul-edu] Getting started: Forming a coalition to promote free and open toolsand content in education
I don't think the Web ring is the first step; anyway, as I said before, simple
mirroring of a list on sites willing to be involved is what I prefer.
The point is to associate sites, projects and people working toward the same
thing, to develop and endorse promotional strategies/documents, and finally to
point toward groups, sites with more info.
Honestly, I think the tasks are, in something like this order:
1. to get a name and a logo (again, I suggest that it not say Linux but rather
include it)
2. to form a group of people willing to work on gathering existing docs and
writing new ones (or intros to existing ones)
3. to do the work: gather a list of existing bibliographies of docs and links
and to collate and improve them
4. present the stuff to this and other lists in the form of individual rfc's.
5. to set it up so that it can be mirrored
6. to consider whether to continue
How would we know we'd been successful?
*When people begin to get the sense that there _is_ an education-oriented open
source community
*When people feel that that educational community is going in a particular,
well-supported direction
*That the materials gathered and shaped actually help
David
Michael Hall <admin@openlearningcommunity.org> said:
>
> Fair enough comments, Roger ... I am by no means a mad fan of web rings,
> but the idea of sites around the world all being linked at one place kind
> of got me excited.
>
> I know exactly what you mean by web rings being associated with crappy
> websites. On the other hand, I'd hate to see useful sites excluded because
> of presentation standards, etc.
>
> Looking at things, are we heading towards creating yet another splinter
> page when there are probably half a dozen well known sites that already
> try to do what we're talking about here (seul being one of them) ... do we
> really just need to develop an existing page? Again, I'm happy to do it or
> help, I'm not trying to shirk some work :-)
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Roger Dingledine wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 01:15:27PM +0930, Michael Hall wrote:
> > > OK, a quick hunt around the usual sites hasn't turned up any
> > > web-ring scripts, but there are enough clues there for me to knock one
up
> > > myself, I'd say. I'd do this in PHP and maybe some JavaScript. So, the
> > > main question is where would the web ring be hosted. Is SEUL's server
OK?
> >
> > Yes, we can host it. But see below --- I don't think it's a "web ring"
> > that we want.
> >
> > > And while we're at it, are there any special features/functionality
that'd
> > > be good to include?
> > >
> > > Off the top of my head, I see a logo/button on member web pages that
takes
> > > a viewer to a page with a complete listing of all members on it,
possibly
> > > searchable if that is deemed necessary (by topic, language, whatever).
And
> > > a button/link back to where the viewer came from. Links could all be
added
> > > by users (ie they do all the typing), with vetting simply requiring the
> > > click of a button by whoever is doing the vetting. Again, I can do all
> > > this in PHP/MySQL or PostgreSQL.
> >
> > Yes, I think this idea would be very useful. Les Richardson already has
> > some code that could probably be trivially adapted to do this. (Which
> > doesn't mean we should bring yet another person into this. If you want
> > to write it, that's great. Just so we have something that works.)
> >
> > What you have described above is not a 'web ring'. I think a lot of
> > people react against the idea of a web ring, because they're associated
> > with flashy gaudy unprofessional sites. We *must* be professional here.
> >
> > > Other web-rings seem to pass viewers on to another page one at a time
(at
> > > random?). Is this what we need?
> >
> > This random button is a novelty feature on web rings that quickly
> > wears out and isn't terribly useful anyway. Feel free to outvote me,
> > but...yuck. :)
> >
> > I think a good clean list of projects, along with a short description
> > of each project and its primary contributions, would be very very useful.
> >
> > Everybody can mirror it or link to one.
> >
> > --Roger
> >
> >
>
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> Michael Hall
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> m.hall@latis.net.au
> http://openlearningcommunity.org
>
>
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