[tor-bugs] #26677 [- Select a component]: 2015-03-01 16:11 GMT+09:00 Lodewijk andré de la porte <l at odewijk.nl>: > Of course it's possible. It's way harder than just, you know, regular > tracking! Cloudflare probably has advanced tracking in order to determine > the likelihood of being spam. Cloudflare also gets headers and IP > addresses, in addition to having many access points already betray the user > a little bit. The NSA only has to make sure to listen to every Cloudflare > in and output, and they'll get a ton of decent info. > Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't notice you meant this as tor-specific. That sure makes it a more difficult question. I think there is little information to go on, given many users use a single Tor exit node, and if all goes well that information should be inseparable. NoScript makes it much harder to see what happens on-page, without noscript there's a lot more profiling info (mouse movement, typing rates, scrolling, those sorts of habits). One could investigate if cloudflare can use a tracking-cookie (or similar) to combine visits from a single user, as that would give a lot more profiling opportunities. I assume every request passes through cloudflare, not just the first, so site-usage should give a much better profile than the initial captcha. Once you've found all the side-channels and their "discerning datapoint quantity" you could calculate how often the users of a single tor node are separable. The data is more complex, sadly, for a full observer, as there's far more information to go on. A partial or near-full network observer can combine timing attacks and the like with information gathered here.

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#26677: 2015-03-01 16:11 GMT+09:00 Lodewijk andré de la porte <l at odewijk.nl>:  >
Of course it's possible. It's way harder than just, you know, regular >
tracking! Cloudflare probably has advanced tracking in order to determine >
the likelihood of being spam. Cloudflare also gets headers and IP >
addresses, in addition to having many access points already betray the user
> a little bit. The NSA only has to make sure to listen to every Cloudflare
> in and output, and they'll get a ton of decent info. >  Oh, I'm sorry, I
didn't notice you meant this as tor-specific. That sure makes it a more
difficult question.  I think there is little information to go on, given
many users use a single Tor exit node, and if all goes well that
information should be inseparable. NoScript makes it much harder to see
what happens on-page, without noscript there's a lot more profiling info
(mouse movement, typing rates, scrolling, those sorts of habits). One could
investigate if cloudflare can use a tracking-cookie (or similar) to combine
visits from a single user, as that would give a lot more profiling
opportunities. I assume every request passes through cloudflare, not just
the first, so site-usage should give a much better profile than the initial
captcha.  Once you've found all the side-channels and their "discerning
datapoint quantity" you could calculate how often the users of a single tor
node are separable. The data is more complex, sadly, for a full observer,
as there's far more information to go on. A partial or near-full network
observer can combine timing attacks and the like with information gathered
here.
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     Reporter:  cypherpunks           |      Owner:  (none)
         Type:  defect                |     Status:  new
     Priority:  Medium                |  Milestone:
    Component:  - Select a component  |    Version:
     Severity:  Normal                |   Keywords:
Actual Points:                        |  Parent ID:
       Points:                        |   Reviewer:
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 2015-03-01 16:11 GMT+09:00 Lodewijk andré de la porte <l at odewijk.nl>:

 > Of course it's possible. It's way harder than just, you know, regular
 > tracking! Cloudflare probably has advanced tracking in order to
 determine
 > the likelihood of being spam. Cloudflare also gets headers and IP
 > addresses, in addition to having many access points already betray the
 user
 > a little bit. The NSA only has to make sure to listen to every
 Cloudflare
 > in and output, and they'll get a ton of decent info.
 >

 Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't notice you meant this as tor-specific. That sure
 makes it a more difficult question.  I think there is little information
 to
 go on, given many users use a single Tor exit node, and if all goes well
 that information should be inseparable. NoScript makes it much harder to
 see what happens on-page, without noscript there's a lot more profiling
 info (mouse movement, typing rates, scrolling, those sorts of habits). One
 could investigate if cloudflare can use a tracking-cookie (or similar) to
 combine visits from a single user, as that would give a lot more profiling
 opportunities. I assume every request passes through cloudflare, not just
 the first, so site-usage should give a much better profile than the
 initial
 captcha.

 Once you've found all the side-channels and their "discerning datapoint
 quantity" you could calculate how often the users of a single tor node are
 separable. The data is more complex, sadly, for a full observer, as
 there's
 far more information to go on. A partial or near-full network observer can
 combine timing attacks and the like with information gathered here.

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