Re: [tor-bugs] #18145 [Tor]: Avoid using "people" when we mean relays in tor's comments

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#18145: Avoid using "people" when we mean relays in tor's comments
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 Reporter:  teor     |          Owner:
     Type:  defect   |         Status:  new
 Priority:  Low      |      Milestone:  Tor: 0.2.9.x-final
Component:  Tor      |        Version:
 Severity:  Trivial  |     Resolution:
 Keywords:           |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:           |         Points:
  Sponsor:           |
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Comment (by teor):

 Replying to [comment:14 cypherpunks]:
 > teor: this wasn't "unsavory people" looking to dox you snarking this
 ticket, it was someone right here in the Tor community too nervous about
 the social power associated with viewpoints like this to oppose openly.
 Ironically, I couldn't find any objection to this if it had been proposed
 on the grounds of grammar, but this ideologically motivated business of
 reading malintent into what's clearly actually a rather common grammatical
 mistake for Romance-language native speakers with imperfect English is
 dangerous, and caving to it on small matters invites more of it on big
 ones.

 Thanks for letting me know what you were trying to achieve. I couldn't
 tell what was going on, or how many people were involved, or why it was
 happening, or what outcome people wanted. Can we stick to the topic of the
 ticket next time?

 (Challenging social power dynamics by making off-topic comments on a bug
 tracking system is unlikely to change much - it's not a place or method
 I've ever seen work.)

 I think we are more alike than you realise:
 * we both fear that people who disagree with us will attack us for our
 views,
 * we both agree that making minor grammatical fixes improves the
 readability of comments,
 * neither of us read malintent into grammatical mistakes or writing
 styles. (I used "gendered" as descriptive term - I didn't realise how
 politically laden it was.)

 I am sorry that you don't feel you can associate your objections with your
 preferred handle or public identity. I am sorry that you don't feel free
 to speak out because of social power dynamics. There are places I can't
 speak out or participate because of my views or identities. It's a really
 awful experience.

 I am happy to have a further conversation about this, but this ticket is
 not an appropriate venue. (Or I'm happy to consider the issue closed.) You
 know how to find me, and you can do so anonymously if you want. I can't,
 so be gentle in how you use your anonymity.

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