Re: [tor-dev] Safe Alternative Uses of Onion Service Keys

[Nick Mathewson <nickm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:15 AM Matthew Finkel <sysrqb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,

Hi, Matt!

There's a part of this that I'm still trying to figure out:

> The safest usage of the long-term keys for alternative purposes I see
> appears to be by deriving a (fixed/deterministic) blinded key pair using
> the same scheme that Tor uses, and signing/verification simply follow
> the same process as Tor, except the derived keys need not rotate
> periodically (is this true?). The derived key should be used for
> certifying a freshly generated ed25519 key, which is used in the
> application protocol. For example, if I want to use a key for code
> signing such that it is bound to my onion service key, then I could
> derive a certifying key by following Tor's derivation scheme, by
> substituting:
>
>   BLIND_STRING = "Derive temporary signing key" | INT_1(0)
>   N = "key-blind" | INT_8(period-number) | INT_8(period_length)
>
> with
>
>   BLIND_STRING = "Derive code signing key" | INT_1(0)
>   N = "code-sigining-key-blind" | "v0" | "YYYY-MM-DD" |  INT_8(validity_period)

In the case of v3 onion services, 'period-number' comes from the
current time, and 'period-length' comes from the consensus, so it's
easy for the client to know what parameters to use when deriving the
key.

But how is the party that relies on the derived key supposed to know
what values were used for "YYYY-MM-DD" and "validity period" in this
case?  It seems like those two values would need to be shipped along
with the key, which could make for logistical issues.

I guess in the case of an X.509 certificate, we could use the
validAfter  and validUntil fields to set the  parameters -- though
it's a little weird to have to look at _just_ those fields to see what
the signing key is supposed to be.

Maybe, for an X.509 cert, we could have

  N = "x509 onion key derivation" | H(unsigned-certificate)

where `unsigned-certificate` is a DER-encoded TBSCertificate (the part
of the certificate that's signed).  That way, we get a separate
blinded key for each certificate.

 [...]
> The above process seems like a lot to ask from application developers.
> Can we make it easier for them?
>
> Open questions:
>
>  1) Going back to the long-term secret key, can LH and RH be used
>     directly in EdDSA without reducing the security and unlinkability of
>     the blinded keys?

From a practical point of view: Forcing the signer to keep LH and RH
online reduces the security of the protocol IMO; the current protocol
is designed so that the onion service doesn't need to keep its
long-term identity key online.

Also note that if we care about keeping the primary identity key
offline, LH' and RH' shouldn't be used directly!  Although it is not
possible to derive a long-term public key from a blinded public key,
it IS possible to derive a long-term _private_ key from a blined
private key.  That's why in the v3 onion service system, blinded
private keys aren't kept for any longer than needed in order to
certify a short-term randomly generated signing key.

>  2) Should other use cases of the long-term keys only derive distinct
>     (blinded) keys, instead of using the long-term keys directly?

IMO yes.

>  3) If other use cases should only use derived keys, then is there an
>     alternative derivation scheme for when unlinkability between derived
>     keys is not needed (without reducing the security properties of the
>     onion service blinded keys), and is allowing linkability
>     useful/worthwhile?
>
>  4) Is the above example derivation scheme safe if different
>     applications tweak the above prefix strings in similar ways?
>
>  5) Should Tor simply derive one blinded key that can be used by all
>     alternative applications? Is that safe?

Yes, but only if that key will never ever need to rotate.

Here's a suggestion -- what if we come up with a single profile for
this kind of key derivation, to be used in X.509.  Along with it, we
could have a nice small library that can generate and verify the
"root" certificates (the ones signed by a blinded key).

What important parts of the application space would be left unaddressed by that?

-- 
Nick
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