Re: [tor-dev] Tor Attack Implementations (Master's Thesis: Tor & Mixes)

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On 2/8/2015 11:39 PM, George Kadianakis wrote:
> Florian RÃchel <florian.ruechel.tor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I have taken some time and considered my topic for the Master's 
>> Thesis. I have finally decided to write it on integrating 
>> high-latency traffic with the Tor low-latency network (see also 
>> my initial mail and George's response[1]).
>> 
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> yes it does sound like an interesting research topic.
> 
>> 
>> My primary research goal is to determine the impact of a mix 
>> network inside Tor, especially on low-latency users of the 
>> network. For this, I plan to use shadow [2] with scallion to 
>> simulate the Tor network. I then want to integrate Mix features 
>> into the network and see how the network reacts to certain 
>> attacks, attacking the mix users as well as the non-mix users. A
>>  crucial part in this evaluation will be to determine whether the
>>  anonymity of regular Tor users might be reduced (for example 
>> just by drawing away users from low- to high-latency traffic) or
>>  whether it might actually be improved (it could attract more 
>> users into the same network).
>> 
> 
> Yes, I'm also wondering whether the anonymity of low-latency Tor 
> would increase if we plugged a high-latency network into it, and 
> also the opposite. I'm curious on whether one network will act as 
> cover traffic for the other, and what kind of adversaries that 
> would fool.
> 
> On this topic you might also enjoy the paper "Sleeping dogs lie on
>  a bed of onions but wake when mixed" by Paul Syverson: 
> https://petsymposium.org/2011/papers/hotpets11-final10Syverson.pdf
> 

Nice paper. Wonder why it isn't in anonbib too. I am used to keep a
bookmark on anonbib as a central repository of anonymity research
papers, so there's my concern :-)

I will add a bibtext entry. If anyone else discovers missing papers
please email me and I will add bibtext entries for them.

>> However, for this evaluation/simulation to work, I need to attack
>> my simulation, i.e. become the adversary and measure the 
>> effectiveness of my attacks. And for this, I need the actual 
>> implementation. So if anyone has access or can direct me to 
>> implementations that I can use, I would be glad for your help.
>> 
> 
> What implementations do you mean?
> 
> I'm curious to how you are going to use simulation here. I also 
> imagine that actually integrating mixminion with Tor on a level 
> that would allow simulation will be non-trivial engineering work.
> 
> In any case, if you have specific Shadow questions, you might want
>  to speak with Rob Jansen who develops Shadow and who is also 
> interested in hidden services research.
> 
>> It would also help me a lot if you can direct me to papers or 
>> articles that have shown specific attacks that are known to work
>>  on the current network.
>> 
>> Finally, I am currently considering using Mixminion as my basis 
>> for a mix network as it seems well designed and addresses a lot 
>> of known attacks. I currently do not plan to evaluate its 
>> security but instead only the effect its usage has on attacks 
>> that work on regular Tor users. However, if anyone can propose a
>>  better mix network to base my work on, please let me know.
>> 
> 
> Hm, not sure how exactly the integration will work here, but 
> mixminion sounds like a decent choice maybe. It's also developed by
> Nick, who is the Tor developer.
> 
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