Re: [tor-dev] DNS/DNSSEC resolving in Tor (PoC implementation)

[Nick Mathewson <nickm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Roger Dingledine <arma@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:04:21AM -0500, Nick Mathewson wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Roger Dingledine <arma@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > So it looks like Tor would get two new libraries linked in, and exit
>> > relays would inherit whatever security/stability issues libunbound has
>> > since clients can basically hand them packets that they have to parse
>> > and deal with.
>>
>> FWIW, I'm okay thinking about adding new library dependencies so long
>> as the libraries are portable enough; libunbound and ldns have a
>> reasonably good reputation.  (And our friends at NLnet labs probably
>> wouldn't mind another bunch of users.)
>>
>> I believe that as we add dnssec support, we are going to cross the
>> threshold of stuff we'd be willing to clone ourselves, since writing
>> our own dnssec code would be absurd.
>
> I totally agree that writing our own dnssec code would be absurd.
>
> But I'm confused here about why we're adding dns support to Tor itself.
> Are we doing it to be able to proxy more requests from applications to
> dns servers? Or are we doing it because the Tor client itself wants to
> be able to learn the answers to dnssec questions?
>
> If it's the former, then we should try as much as we can to *not* learn
> the details of the protocol. After all, Tor doesn't have an ssh protocol
> parser or validator, but it can proxy ssh traffic just fine.

I guess it depends on what you think should happen for SOCKS+hostname
connections.

One possibility is this:

Browser -> Tor Client: "SOCKS5: Connect to www.example.com,port 80"
Tor client -> Tor net -> Exit node: "BEGIN+: Connect to
www.example.com, port 80, and answer the following DNS questions about
it."
Exit node -> Tor net-> Tor Client: "CONNECTED+: Connection is open.
Here's a bunch of DNS replies for you."
Tor Client -> Browser: "SOCKS5 connection complete."

But that would require that Tor recognize DNSSEC traffic.

Another possibility is this:

Browser's resolver -> Tor Client (as DNSPort): "Resolve
www.example.com, give me an A, and give me DNSSec stuff too."
Tor Client-> Tor net-> Tor Exit: "Yeah, resolve that stuff."
Tor Exit -> Tor net -> Tor client: "Here's your answer."
Tor client -> Browser's resolver: "Here's that A record you wanted,
and some dnssec stuff."
Browser -> Tor client: "Okay, now connect there."
Tor client -> Tor net -> Tor exit: "Connect to <ip address>:80!"
Exit node -> Tor net-> Tor Client: "CONNECTED: Connection is open."
Tor Client -> Browser: "SOCKS5 connection complete."

But that would involve an extra round trip that I'd rather save if possible.

-- 
Nick
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