Re: [tor-dev] Proposal for PoW DoS defenses during introduction (was Re: Proposal 305: ESTABLISH_INTRO Cell DoS Defense Extension)

[juanjo <juanjo@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 13/6/19 12:21, George Kadianakis wrote:
> Is this a new cell? What's the format? Are these really keys or are they
> just nonces?

Yes sorry, they are nonces.


This was only a proposal for a proposal.

> Is this a new cell? What's the format? Are these really keys or are they
> just nonces?
>
> IMO we should not do this through a new cell because that increases the
> round-trip by one. Instead we should just embed the PoW parameters in
> the onion service descriptor and clients find them there.
Yes, this is a new cell triggered only when DoS limit is reached.

We can't embed it on the onion service descriptor because the attacker 
could precompute the PoW and make a dictionary attack. The IPKey (will 
be a nonce) should unique for each new connecting client that wants to 
send the INTRODUCE2.

What we want this way is increasing the cost of an attacker by many 
times vs only a little overhead to the I.P.

> That looks like a naive PoW scheme. It would perhaps be preferable to
> try to find a GPU/ASIC-resistant or memory-hard PoW scheme here, to
> minimize the advantage of adversaries with GPUs etc.?  Are there any
> good such schemes?
>
> Also services should definitely be able to configure the difficulty of
> the PoW, and IMO this should again happen through the descriptor.
That PoW scheme was just a simple example. We should find the right 
choice. Something hard to find but easy to check.

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