Re: [tor-dev] obfs4 questions

[Michael Rogers <michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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On 28/11/14 15:50, Yawning Angel wrote:
> A one time poly1305 key is calculated for each box, based on 32
> bytes of zeroes encrypted with a one time Salsa20 key/counter
> derived from the nonce and the box key.  You can view the use of
> Salsa20 there as an arbitrary keyed hash function (in the case of
> the original paper, AES was used).
> 
> Hope that clarifies things somewhat,

Thanks - this is similar to the argument I came up with. I called my
argument hand-wavy because it relies on HSalsa20 and Salsa20 being
PRFs, and I don't know how big an assumption that is.

I mean, I'm sure it's fine, I was just wondering if the designers had
explicitly said anywhere that it was fine.

> So yes, it is a property of crypto_secretbox because that's how
> Poly1305 works.  It wouldn't be a workable AEAD mode if nonces
> (which usually are transmitted in the clear) could be modified
> undetected by attackers either.

Well that's the thing - crypto_secretbox isn't an AEAD mode, it
doesn't support additional authenticated data. With a typical AEAD
mode like GCM (which doesn't derive the authentication key from the
nonce) you can include the nonce in the AAD, so it's explicitly
authenticated. With crypto_secretbox it seems like the nonce is
implicitly authenticated, but I just wanted to be sure.

Cheers,
Michael
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