Thus spake Nick Mathewson (nickm@xxxxxxxxxxxx): > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Mike Perry <mikeperry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Title: Faster Headless Consensus Bootstrapping > > Author: Mike Perry > > > > Design: Bootstrap Process Changes > > > > The core idea is to attempt to establish bootstrap connections in > > parallel during the bootstrap process, and download the consensus from > > the first connection that completes. > > > > Connection attempts will be done in batches of three. Only one > > connection will be performed to one of the canonical directory > > authorities. Two connections will be performed to randomly chosen hard > > coded directory mirrors. > > I misread this paragraph at first. I thought you were suggesting 3 > parallel directory downloads when in fact you were discussing 3 > parallel TLS connections, with only the first one that finishes > actually getting a download. > > > Design: Fallback Dir Mirror Selection > > Out of scope for this proposal; relevant for proposal 206. Ok. Consider it a vote for your "third option" in proposal 206 then. Also consider that I wrote this proposal in such a way that it both depends on 206, and is meant to make it possible to relax our requirements mirror selection for 206. I think the parallel connection idea makes us have to worry much less about vetting the fallback dir mirrors quite so rigorously for uptime+longevity, in addition to improving bootstrap delay in the event of dirauth downtime. > > Performance: Additional Load with Current Parameter Choices > > > > This design and the connection count parameters were chosen such that > > no additional bandwidth load would be placed on the directory > > authorities. In fact, the directory authorities should experience less > > load, because they will not need to serve the consensus document for a > > connection in the event that one of the directory mirrors complete their > > connection before the directory authority does. > > To be clear, it's the part of this proposal that's shared with > proposal 206 (directory sources) that would lower load on the > authorities. Yes, this proposal depends upon 206. It doesn't make as much sense to implement it by itself, I don't think. > > However, the scheme does place additional TLS connection load on the > > fallback dir mirrors. Because bootstrapping is rare and all but one of > > the TLS connections will be very short-lived and unused, this should not > > be a substantial issue. > > How do we know that bootstrapping is rare? I guess it depends on the definition of rare. I meant compared to normal directory activity. The lack of a TBB update mechanism probably does make bootstrap more prevalent than we'd like, I guess. Also, if idle clients bootstrap if they've been idle more than 24 hours, then it's probably quite prevalent. I assumed they at least attempted to keep their consensus fresh, even if they were not being used. Am I wrong? > > The dangerous case is in the event of a prolonged consensus failure > > that induces all clients to enter into the bootstrap process. In this > > case, the number of initial TLS connections to the fallback dir mirrors > > would be 2*C/100, or 10,000 for C=500,000 users. If no connections > > complete before the five retries, this could reach as high as 50,000 > > connection attempts, but this is extremely unlikely to happen in full > > aggregate. > > > > However, in the no-consensus scenario today, the directory authorities > > would already experience C/9 or 55,555 connection attempts. The > > 5-retry scheme increases their total maximum load to about 275,000 > > connection attempts, but again this is unlikely to be reached > > in aggregate. Additionally, with this scheme, even if the dirauths > > are taken down by this load, the dir mirrors should be able to survive > > it. > > This looks like an argument of the form "The outcome would be > horrible, but the current outcome is also horrible, so we wouldn't > break stuff any worse." Right? Well, more like "the outcome would be slightly less horrible, but also more resilient to unavailability, and more performant." I analyzed the extreme case specifically because it allows us to more easily see the load consequences of the scheme than if we were to get bogged down by say, trying to estimate bootstrap frequency in normal operations. I think that is a distraction. > I wonder if in this case the answer isn't to actually back off from > fetching after N minutes or M servers, like a sane system. Or to > treat "hey, that's not a good consensus!" as different from "couldn't > connect to directory server" in terms of what it means for how we back > off. I have limits on the number of retries and total concurrent connection counts in the proposals. We can tweak them. I thought about putting in a back-off in terms of retry frequency, but it didn't seem like a clear win over just limiting things in the first place, because there's already an implicit backoff by virtue of simply waiting for the TLS connection timeouts to expire once we hit the total pending connection limit. -- Mike Perry
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