Re: [tor-dev] Do Tor relays rely on ICMP type 11 (time exceeded / timeout in transit)?

[Igor Mitrofanov <igor.n.mitrofanov@xxxxxxxxx>]

I have figured it out. Tor is fine.

TTL=1 mentioned in incoming ICMP 11 messages is just the destination
host's perspective, not what the relay originally sent out. I have
traceroute'd to some hosts the relay was trying to connect to, and
there are indeed infinite routing loops (misconfigured networks) over
there, so TTL gets decremented to 1 and the ICMP error is delivered,
as it should.

I am going to allow both ICMP type 11 and type 3 then. (Need to figure
out what to do with incoming fragmented packets, but that's another
story altogether, perhaps for tor-relays@)

Thanks!


On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 1:55 PM, teor <teor2345@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On 23 Oct 2017, at 05:14, Igor Mitrofanov <igor.n.mitrofanov@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> On my relays I am dropping any traffic that Tor itself does not rely on.
>> I wonder if I should allow or block incoming and/outgoing ICMP type 11
>> (time exceeded / timeout in transit)?
>
> Try it and see?
>
>> My host does receive some ICMP type 11 packets, and does seem to send
>> some out, but I am not sure if Tor is the source or destination.
>> Do Tor relays use some 'traceroute'-like mechanism to detect unreachable relays?
>
> Not as far as I am aware.
>
>> "netstat -s:
>>    ...
>>    ICMP input histogram:
>>        ...
>>        timeout in transit: 1923
>>    ...
>>    ICMP output histogram:
>>        ...
>>        timeout in transit: 1277
>> "
>> I remember seeing outgoing TCP packets with TTL set to 1 - those were
>> the ones triggering incoming ICMP type 11 packets.
>
> Are you running an exit?
> Do you have multiple IP addresses?
> Using OutboundBindAddressExit can help you to find out if it's tor relaying
> traffic, or tor exit traffic from clients that are doing TCP traceroutes.
>
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