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Today's Topics:
 Â1. Re: Subpoena received (Jan GUTH)
 Â2. Re: Subpoena received (Jan GUTH)
 Â3. Re: Subpoena received (Brian Kroll)
 Â4. Re: Subpoena received (renke@xxxxxxxxx)
 Â5. Re: Quantum Insert detection for everyone (tor@xxxxxxx)
 Â6. Re: Subpoena received (Moritz Bartl)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:15:32 +0200
From: Jan GUTH <prometheus@xxxxxx>
To: tor-relays@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Subpoena received
Message-ID: <5538AA24.3040802@xxxxxx>
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On 20/04/15 16:32, Tyler Durden wrote:
> Hi
> I just wanted to let you know that Washington sent us a subpoena
> regarding one of our exit nodes in Romania. They want to know the real
> IP behind the Tor Network. I mailed them what Tor is and why I can't
> help them in identifying this person. Nevertheless I will give you the
> link to the full subpoena. Maybe you guys find it interesting. I will
> forward the subpoena to our lawyer as well.
>
>
> https://mega.co.nz/#!ilIjlZSb!-deirKharWaDtp_UMxhev58E14zeouyoWUbzxeWPvEQ
Good morning list,
I just called up Alistar and explained the entire situation. They IT
guys know what Tor is and their company is strongly interested in
continuing supporting Tor. They are a partner company now of Voxility,
and the apparently while moving some clients, someone did forget to tell
them that they'll get a client running Tor exit nodes.
They are simply overchallenged with this request as it is the very first
one they have ever received.
The good news is, that they will _not_ shutdown our server, nor take any
logs, which are non-existant. The counterpart we need to contribute is a
letter by our lawyer and favorably a letter from EFF or some other
bigger organization guaranteeing Tor is what it is and we as client do
not try to fool them.
This is a request from the administration level of the company, not the
tech guys - as always.
So, I'll get in touch with our lawyer & with EFF. Is there anyone else
within EU, whom could certify them what Tor is and what it is capable of
and what not? Moritz?
Cheers,
J.
--
Jan GUTH
International Coordinator
Fr?nn vun der ?nn A.S.B.L. (NGO)
e. info@xxxxxx (GPG: 0x02225522)
t. +352?691?71?77?44
w. http://enn.lu/
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:20:10 +0200
From: Jan GUTH <prometheus@xxxxxx>
To: tor-relays@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Subpoena received
Message-ID: <5538AB3A.2050701@xxxxxx>
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On 20/04/15 16:32, Tyler Durden wrote:
> Hi
> I just wanted to let you know that Washington sent us a subpoena
> regarding one of our exit nodes in Romania. They want to know the real
> IP behind the Tor Network. I mailed them what Tor is and why I can't
> help them in identifying this person. Nevertheless I will give you the
> link to the full subpoena. Maybe you guys find it interesting. I will
> forward the subpoena to our lawyer as well.
>
>
> https://mega.co.nz/#!ilIjlZSb!-deirKharWaDtp_UMxhev58E14zeouyoWUbzxeWPvEQ
Good morning list,
I just called up Alistar and explained the entire situation. They IT
guys know what Tor is and their company is strongly interested in
continuing supporting Tor. They are a partner company now of Voxility,
and the apparently while moving some clients, someone did forget to tell
them that they'll get a client running Tor exit nodes.
They are simply overchallenged with this request as it is the very first
one they have ever received.
The good news is, that they will _not_ shutdown our server, nor take any
logs, which are non-existant. The counterpart we need to contribute is a
letter by our lawyer and favorably a letter from EFF or some other
bigger organization guaranteeing Tor is what it is and we as client do
not try to fool them.
This is a request from the administration level of the company, not the
tech guys - as always.
So, I'll get in touch with our lawyer & with EFF. Is there anyone else
within EU, whom could certify them what Tor is and what it is capable of
and what not? Moritz?
Cheers,
J.
--
Jan GUTH
International Coordinator
Fr?nn vun der ?nn A.S.B.L. (NGO)
e. info@xxxxxx (GPG: 0x02225522)
t. +352?691?71?77?44
w. http://enn.lu/
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 08:29:45 +0000
From: Brian Kroll <brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tor-relays@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Subpoena received
Message-ID: <5538AD79.3060902@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Zack Weinberg:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Tyler Durden <virii@xxxxxx>
> wrote:
>> I just wanted to let you know that Washington sent us a subpoena
>> regarding one of our exit nodes in Romania
>
> Just FYI, "Washington" doesn't appear to have anything to do with
> this. The subpoena is on the letterhead of an office of Cook
> County, Illinois, which is the locality containing the city of
> Chicago. Per
> http://www.cookcountyil.gov/office-of-the-independent-inspector-general/
>
>
this office investigates misconduct by county officials.
>
> This matters because, first, this is probably a tiny little outfit
> with little or no clue about either the Internet or international
> law.
As a resident of Cook Country I can safely say it's not a small
locality, but I'm sure their knowledge about international law is
quite low.
> They *should have* hired an international lawyer when they saw
> they'd need to talk to someone operating out of Romania and/or
> Luxembourg, but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that they
> didn't.
> And they've probably never even heard of Tor before.
I know the Chicago Police claim they don't know what Tor is.
http://www.muckrock.com/foi/chicago-169/chicago-police-use-of-tor-15392/
> Second, the incident which triggered the investigation, whatever it
> is, is probably quite minor. (This is backed up by their asking
> for one IP address active at a single point in time.)Â It would
> have been booted up to the state or federal level if it were any
> kind of serious. For both those reasons, I would rate the odds of
> them actually bothering to jump through all the necessary legal
> hoops to get a court order binding on a foreign national as slim to
> none.
ATB
//Brian
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 11:47:17 +0200 (CEST)
From: renke@xxxxxxxxx
To: tor-relays@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Subpoena received
Message-ID: <20150423094717.382558A02B7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hi,
> The counterpart we need to contribute is a
> letter by our lawyer and favorably a letter from EFF or some other
> bigger organization guaranteeing Tor is what it is and we as client do
> not try to fool them.
as the US government sponsored (parts of) the Tor development - what about giving them US military research papers about the Tor network?
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a465464.pdf is one of them, co-authored by a Navy researcher and performed by the Naval Research Laboratory.
Not itself sufficient, but done by a bigger organisation w/o triggering anarchist/commie/hacker/terroristsupporting/publicenemy bias reactions.
Renke
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 07:39:07 -0400
From: tor@xxxxxxx
To: <tor-relays@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Quantum Insert detection for everyone
Message-ID: <5538d9db.9d8.3c445700.6bd5299c@xxxxxxx>
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ÂOn 04/23/2015 01:56 AM, David Stainton wrote:
Â> It is possible to add a "prevention" mechanism to HoneyBadger; an
Â> event based firewall ruleset generator made to block TCP injection
Â> attacks as they are happening... yes. This is possible. I could
write
Â> that if there was interest from enough people.
Gief.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 13:57:32 +0200
From: Moritz Bartl <moritz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: tor-relays@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Subpoena received
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On 04/23/2015 10:20 AM, Jan GUTH wrote:
> So, I'll get in touch with our lawyer & with EFF. Is there anyone else
> within EU, whom could certify them what Tor is and what it is capable of
> and what not? Moritz?
Depends on what convinces them. :-) Sounds like it may make sense to get
a generic letter signed by all our partner organizations (which includes
Reporters without Borders, Institute of War & Peace Reporting,
Article19, and potentially other Human Rights Orgs) in the long run.
I'm happy to write something as Torservers.net, in a way representing
all the current partner orgs. Then, we can send the letter around and
get it co-signed by all the partner orgs and other orgs.
--
Moritz Bartl
https://www.torservers.net/
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