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Re: Costs of Portable IP Space [was: New Node]



I think we -could- potentially try to kick in an application for let's say a /20 PI space with ripe, and register this to some foundation (let's say the EFF) which can then use this for TOR nodes.

thing is, PI space is not supposed to be sub-delegated to 'customers' so the whole thing will then have to go on the EFF (or whatever)

you can however simply split it up in BGP over multiple physical locations (who the fuck cares about route-objects anyway, and i guess we can even get those to work with some trickery ;)

but usually it's easier to simply "fix the law", the (your) law clearly has a bug here, which should not be 'worked around' but rather 'fixed'.

the result of PI space is that whomever's organisiation is in whois will then receive the "abuse" mail (not that either whois or smtp-email have any legal status at all in terms of "evidence" so who cares ;)

and then that whomever can take the cocksuckers to court (or the other way around) rather than isps pulling the plug before it going to court.

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On Tue, 31 Aug 2010, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:

anyway, RIPE will hand out PI space to parties all over the world provided that they have a LIR in the RIPE-region and register it for hardware in the RIPE-region.

we've done so for chinese customers etc in the past as well, and they're definately not in the RIPE-regio.

RIPE charges the LIR an "maintenance fee" but they're nowhere near the ARIN's directassignment fees.

(plus, why the hell do you stay in that retarded ex-colony of ours anwyay, move back to europe, problem solved, no dmca here ;)

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On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Mike Perry wrote:

Thus spake grarpamp (grarpamp@xxxxxxxxx):

On 8/24/10, Sven Olaf Kamphuis <sven@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In the US, the place to go is ARIN.

To go fully PI, US, with your own registration everywhere,  you'd need
roughly...
/22 ~ /21 = $1250, available for multihoming only, annual
 AS = $500, for multihoming, annual
/20 ~ /19 = $2250, available for single and multi, annual
$100 = ARIN OrgID ISP fee, annual
$15 = domain name, annual
$50 ~ $bling = internet pipe, x2 for multi, month
$50 ~ $bling = 1RU, month
$500 = server, once
$beer = cool upstream with clue, every few trouble tickets
plus whatever else I missed.
Budget of $250/mo might give you perpetual service.

After thinking about this and other ways of enabling the default exit
policy in the US, I am beginning to wonder if the default exit policy
is a really good idea here.

Let's say everything goes according to plan, and we manage to get an
IP allocation that allows us to handle abuse directly at a very high
capacity Tor node, and we use it to run the default policy and send
the BayTSP and MediaSentry complaints to /dev/null.

Eventually, these organizations realize that their spam is being
ignored, and report this to their clients: Universal, Viacom, and
others. Let's say the best of all outcomes happens: they sue us, EFF
defends us, and we win the case, establishing legal precedent that
DMCA 512(a) claims need to actually prove repeated subscriber
infringement before an ISP needs to do anything (a long shot, IMO).

I believe it would be quite easy for big content to turn right around
and lobby for even stronger DMCA protections, and possibly even data
retention for anonymity providers, and succeed in changing the law.

The problem is that there is a rather large climate of Intellectual
Property xenophobia in the United States. This is possibly due to one
of our major exports being IP, content, and design, rather than
actual products, and one of our main competitors being the
IP-disrespecting China. It is also combined with the fact that the
Obama administration and Democrats in general tend to receive larger
contributions from Hollywood and big content than Republicans.

There has been a large influx of big content/copyright lawyers at the
DoJ, and the FBI's #1 investigative priority is copyright
infringement, which indicate these current trends:

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/news/fbi-considers-copyright-cases-top-priority
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/02/influx-of-big-content-lawyers-at-doj-cause-for-concern.ars

We also already have ACTA on the horizon. I'm not sure if giving ammo
to people who have managed to rewrite copyright law every time the
first Mickey Mouse drawings are about to pass into public domain is
something we want to do.

Also, personally, I'd rather see P2P traffic on an purely internal
overlay network like I2P, rather than overloading a network that is
vital for general anonymous communication with the rest of the
Internet, like Tor. Tor isn't even safe for P2P anyway:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea

As such, I've tried to add yet more ports to the reduced exit policy:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tips-running-exit-node-minimal-harassment
and I think this is the policy we should advise for high-speed nodes
in the US.

Thoughts about this?

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