Re: [tor-relays] Reaching out to webiron

[Schokomilch NOC <noc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I'd like to mention a few additional things:

Firstly if you look at the source code of their mail, then you will find 
that the image is hosted at a unique URL. Automatically loading the 
image will let them know that you opened the mail. They also publish 
this info in their abuse feed e.g.:

https://www.webiron.com/abuse_feed/

E-Mail Action: opened	2017-02-11 19:20:24.804194-07 abuse ATH 
us.leaseweb.com	Host has opened and viewed report

Then they also have a twitter bot which tweets nonsensical info into the 
www - https://twitter.com/webironbots

And lastly I tried to reply to one of their emails, but my mails are 
being rejected at their mx, even though the torexit and my mx are on 
different IPs. I inquired via their support-form and I received a very 
hostile reply (just like everyone else here) that my AS couldn't be 
trusted. So they rather block the whole AS on their mx (but they can't 
just block tor-exits????)

On 08.02.2017 08:59 AM, DaKnOb wrote:
> Incidentally yesterday I published a blog post featuring them and why
> their abuse e-mails are plain spam:
>
> https://blog.daknob.net/security-companies-and-abuse-e-mails/
>
> > On 08 Feb 2017, at 06:00, Andrew Deason <adeason@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > I run an exit node, and as such, I get abuse emails like this from
> > time
> > to time:
> <https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2015-October/007982.html>
> > Mostly I ignore them, but since their automated report contains the
> > sentence "Please feel free to send us your comments or responses.",
> > every so often I send something to complain about their practices.
> > To my
> > surprise, apparently somebody does actually read these because today
> > I
> > got a reply.
> >
> > I'm not reproducing the entire response here without permission
> > (they
> > seem kinda touchy), but the person that replied did mention that
> > they
> > have some kind of rbl "in beta" regarding tor exits. They seemed to
> > imply that doing so was quite a burden on them, though, which I
> > don't
> > really understand (IME blocking tor exits is easy; intentionally
> > so).
> >
> > I'm trying to keep the conversation going, but I was wondering if
> > anyone
> > from the tor project has tried to reach out to them in some kind of
> > official way? I'm just some random guy, so I don't know if it would
> > be
> > preferable for someone more knowledgeable, or with more access to
> > tor
> > infrastructure, to be conversing with them. (e.g. teor)
> >
> > I assume some people will say this isn't even worth the effort; it's
> > not
> > like it's hard to just ignore those reports. But it doesn't take
> > much
> > effort to just try to talk ot them, and it perhaps helps to give tor
> > a
> > reputation of cooperation and helpfulness.
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Deason
> > adeason@xxxxxxxx
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