Re: [tor-relays] System Time

[Fabiano London <franciscolondon33@xxxxxxxxx>]

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> On 18 Jan 2014, at 01:30, eliaz <eliaz@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/15/2014 8:19 AM, nano wrote:
>>> On 15/01/2014 10:29 PM, Sebastian Urbach wrote:
>>> I really tried very hard to stay calm but at least someone has to say
>>> it. I think operating relays / bridges can be described as a cutting
>>> edge job or experience.
> [snip]
>>> If you don't know what you are doing, then be honest to yourself and
>>> stop doing it !
> [snip]
>>> And further, i strongly disagree with the text Robert wrote today that
>>> the project should provide more material for newbies because there is
>>> already more than enough material.
> [snip]
>>> I would like to propose a new list which may or may not be called
>>> "tor-relays-new" or so. New operators should start there for a certain
>>> period of time and if everything seems to be in order they may be
>>> transferred to tor-relays.
> [snip]
>> Sebastian,
>> 
>> I respect your opinion and appreciate your frustration borne from the
>> inabilities of less skilled correspondents and their submissions.
>> However, I don't believe running a Tor node, of any kind, requires
>> either "it professionals with years and years of experience" or "serious
>> skills" in system administration.
> [snip]
>> In part, I
>> agree with the sentiment that "[if] you don't know what you are doing,
>> then be honest to yourself and stop doing it"; however, I would instead
>> change the apodosis to: 'seek assistance'. I would find that outcome
>> preferable to ceasing participation entirely. Correspondingly, I
>> consider this mailing list an excellent resource to facilitate said
>> assistance; subscribers will either choose to contribute, or not.
>> Furthermore, more documentation is rarely a bad idea and while limited
>> resources should be prudently managed, I don't believe requests for
>> assistance from mailing list correspondents consume said resources.
> [snip]
>> Nevertheless, subscribers are free to acknowledge mailing list
>> correspondence or ignore it
> [snip]
> In the interest of
>> full disclosure, I consider myself one of these "new relay operators"
>> [0] so my opinions are most likely affected by bias.
>> 
>> [0]
>> https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/799B025E25850A88CD133276301FAFB731C2EA94
> 
> I've been thinking for a while that a separate list for *bridge*
> operators might be a good idea. I've put effort (and cash) into running
> a bridge approaching 24/7, at which I was successful with TBB ver 2, but
> have been frustrated since the advent of browser 3.5 and standalone
> vidalia. Running the bridge blindly - just loading 3.5 and not trying to
> assess whether the bridge is working properly,  or indeed if it's
> necessary, hasn't been satisfying. I want to know why/how certain things
> wok or don't work. I've been conflicted in this; either I run my own
> experiments, resulting in the bridge being up erratically; or I ask what
> I can well believe experienced node operators & developers might
> consider dunderheaded questions. And since bridges are supposed to be
> secret,  I'm not even sure what should or should not beasked  in a clear
> list. I've tried asking tor support via encrypted msgs with mixed
> results: I can understand that support has more important things to do
> than reassure me that I'm on the right track.
>    If other bridge operators also feel underserved and experienced users
> feel beleaguered by us, maybe opening a list for bridge operators (or an
> encrypted support address) might be a good experiment. Even if   a
> dedicated list is populated only amateurs it might help us keep running
> more consistently & intelligently.
>    Yup, my bridge is down for now. Understanding what I'm doing has taken
> too much time away from other work. I hope to have the bridge up again
> as soon as I have enough time to work things out on my own or frame
> intelligent questions. - eliaz
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