Re: [tor-relays] How can we trust the guards?

[Gumby TORZone <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Just to play devils advocate here - when a single hacker can control tens of
thousands of devices in a botnet - just how easy would it be for a "state"
agency to control a few hundred tor nodes? We can always assume, possibly to our
own demise, that they utilize it to some degree themselves, and leave tor alone,
mostly.

However, if memory serves me correctly (debatable some days), a couple years
ago, didn't part of Anonymous work with some of the developers at Mozilla -
where when they hit certain Silk Road onion sites they were offered a
"necessary" pervert only TBB update that allowed their "true" IP to be found -
then doxxed each one and posted the list of child porn frequenters from that?
Based on a scenario such as that - who CAN we trust? Who is actually "in the
circle of trust" - and who ain't?

Gumby
"We're from the government, and we're here to help you!"

> On January 2, 2017 at 12:44 PM Andreas Krey <a.krey@xxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 02 Jan 2017 08:28:52 +0000, Rana wrote:
> ...
> > That US agencies are actively working to destroy anonymity of (hopefully
> > only selected, but who knows?) Tor users is an undisputable fact. Your
> > implicit assumption that Russia is also attacking Tor is, however,
> > unfounded.
> 
> Now, what is the reasoning behind that?
> 
> > There is, however, ZERO evidence that they are going head to head with
> > America doing that.
> 
> Is there any evidence that America is doing this?
> (Outside the snowden leaks, o/c, because they don't cover russia.)
> 
> > I believe that what is needed is changing Tor to accommodate a lot of small
> > relays running by a very large number of volunteers, and to push real
> > traffic through them.
> 
> And where do you want to get these?
> 
> Andreas
> -- 
> "Totally trivial. Famous last words."
> From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@*.org>
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:29:21 -0800
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