Re: [tor-relays] Proposing an Exit Node

[Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 01/17/2017 12:00 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:49:46PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
>> Or you need adequate anonymity, and be willing to lose sunk cost.
> 
> I think trying to run exit relays with anonymity, and with plans to
> discard them as needed, is a poor plan long-term. In the struggle for
> what the Internet can become, we need to be public and clear about who
> we are and why privacy is important for everybody.
> 
> (Yes, that looks like a contradiction, but I claim it isn't: privacy
> is about giving people choices, and to win this conflict we need some
> people who will make the choice to step up and be public and build
> relationships.)

I'm happy to step up, and build relationships. To deal with complaints.
But I do that anonymously.

> This "slash and burn agriculture" approach to running Tor relays, where
> you set up an exit relay, and if anybody gets angry you move on to
> another ISP, is really appealing since it's simple, but it assumes the
> Internet is infinite. If in fact we're destroying land without regard
> to sustainability, and we run out of land...

Well, Tor is running out of land, based on my reading of this list, over
the past few years. Fewer and fewer providers allow exits :(

But hey, I defer to your experience.

> The Internet is smaller and more centralized than we think, and we need
> the people who run it to see us as a worthwhile positive and contributing
> community.

Maybe so. And yet, that's definitely not the approach taken re China
etc. I don't deny the distinction between China etc and ISPs generally.
But that could change. Time will tell.

> For previous versions of this thread, see
> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2013-November/003240.html
> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2015-May/037991.html
> 
> Thanks!
> --Roger
> 
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