Re: [tor-relays] german plans on banning TOR

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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 21:19:23 +0100

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"Zum anderen ist die Zugänglichmachung jedes
internetbasierten Angebots, das auf die Begehung jeglicher
Straftaten gerichtet ist, gleichermaßen strafwürdig."

Thats every ISP on the world. Every ISP on the world lets you connect to the internet. What they want to do is outlaw the running of markets who promote drugs, weapons and cheese pizza.

Thats already the case. The just want it in one law so they don't have to process several accusations.

I read it weeks ago and Tor will not be outlawed in this case.

"Betreiber, deren Angebote ohne entsprechende Zielrichtung zur Förderung von Straftaten genutzt
werden, vom Tatbestand ausgenommen. “

Ebay will not get fucked, only if you have a market which prime directive is to sell drugs, weapons and CP.

Referenced to § 129 StGB in the text: reference is made to membership in a criminal organization. The Tor project will then be declared as such.

Dear god …

On 6. Mar 2019, at 20:35, Olaf Grimm <jeep665@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Some contradictions in the recommendations of the committee:

Take a look on page 6 and 7 (in german, translation of the sentences below).

"Zum anderen ist die Zugänglichmachung jedes
internetbasierten Angebots, das auf die Begehung jeglicher
Straftaten gerichtet ist, gleichermaßen strafwürdig."

"Second, the availability of each
Internet-based offer, based on the commission of any
Criminal offenses is equally punishable."

"Betreiber, deren Angebote ohne entsprechende Zielrichtung zur Förderung von Straftaten genutzt
werden, vom Tatbestand ausgenommen. "

"Operators whose offers are used without appropriate target direction for the promotion of criminal offenses
be excluded from the facts."

https://www.bundesrat.de/SharedDocs/drucksachen/2019/0001-0100/33-1-19.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=1

I think that's the first step to forbid Tor. The text indicates operators. Is my relay abroad illegal because I'm German?
Referenced to § 129 StGB in the text: reference is made to membership in a criminal organization. The Tor project will then be declared as such.

Olaf

Am 06.03.19 um 15:47 schrieb Volker Mink:
News from german country NRW -
There is a gouvernment bill about criminalizing TOR!

https://www.bundesrat.de/SharedDocs/drucksachen/2019/0001-0100/33-19.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=1
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