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Re: [tor-relays] safeguard operators (was: Reimbursement of Exit Operators)

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Subject: Re: [tor-relays] safeguard operators (was: Reimbursement of Exit Operators)
From: Elrippo <elrippo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 09:11:37 +0200
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Hy all.

Offshore sounds like outsourcing :)

In EU I had some discussions with providers of KVM servers, dedicated and collocation based systems.

Tor should know William Weber and his company. I had a little chat with him, and principally his company provides two options for exit node ops.

Dedicated with own whois and legal advisement.
Collocation and as above.

Due to laws in the EU, his company is forced to hand out information about the "owner" of the exit node to government organisations without information of the exit node owner itself.

So that leaves two options.

1.) Dedicated, collocation with secret handout to government organisations.
2.) Homeserver with the option of a houseseeking.

Pick yours ;)



Gordon Morehouse <gordon@xxxxxxxxxxxx> schrieb:
>On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 07:45:17 +0200, Konrad Neitzel <konrad@xxxxxxxxxx>
>wrote:
>
>> Hi all!
>>
>> On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 19:29 -0400, tor@xxxxxxx wrote:
>> > Also. It makes me wonder things when, for example, you say "Think
>> > bigger" while pointing to a couple of potential dollars in
>someone's
>> > pocket. Safeguarding the operators of the exit relays is a bigger
>deal
>> > than chump change. I'm not making an honest accusation but, to the
>> > people who are the most vocal in approving of this - you don't work
>> > for the NSA, right? :)
>> >
>> I am quite new to tor but I decided a few days ago that it is not
>just
>> "something for people in far far away countries". I simply decided
>that
>> I have to support this if I do not want to be in the risk that I am
>> asked later: "What did you do when they took the control over the
>net?".
>>
>> So I started a tor node on a dedicated root server. But now you
>scared
>> me a little bit: Is there a need to be safeguarded as a tor node
>> operator?
>> - At least the hosting company might know me. At least it should be
>easy
>> for the government to track me down even if I tried to hide because
>all
>> they have to do is follow the money.
>> - I even used my Name and Email address inside the contact
>information.
>> Just check out the "idkneitzel" Node.
>> - Reverse DNS even points back to my private domain.
>
>I do all the same things, and only recently *started* using real
>contact information and my real name on these lists, as a principled
>stand.
>
>> Was this something that I shouldn't have done? Is it something that I
>> should change?
>
>If you are an exit node operator, you have some things to consider.  If
>you are a relay node operator, likely far fewer things to consider.
>Then again, I only operate relays and ran into my first website block
>(retailmenot.com) today due to the site blocking *all* Tor nodes, exit
>or otherwise.  :P
>
>> Would be nice to hear your opinions on this topic.
>
>You're probably fine, especially if not running an exit.  You didn't
>list your home country, though; I'm assuming United States.
>
>If you are concerned, arrange transactions to purchase a server
>offshore with anonymous means and run an anonymous node there.
>
>Best,
>-Gordon M.
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