Re: [tor-relays] safeguard operators

[Moritz Bartl <moritz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 09/19/2013 08:50 AM, Konrad Neitzel wrote:
> The link is interesting but I still do not see the point. Even if there
> is a non profit organization created which might have an address at a
> lawyer (I come from Germany) it is not really safeguarding the
> operators.

Creating an organization around *exit* relays is not about hiding, it is
about the difference is treatment of companies versus individuals. You
are more likely to be treated as suspect as an individual. So far, from
all organizations that I know of that run exit nodes, they were treated
simply as ISPs, and did not get any trouble for not having any logs.

For non-exit relays, there's currently nothing on the horizon that makes
me think you need additional protection. But in the end, you're
forwarding encrypted traffic, which may or may not end in strange court
rulings like the one around Retroshare in Germany [
http://www.internet-law.de/2012/11/lg-hamburg-erlasst-einstweilige-verfugung-wegen-filesharings-mit-retroshare.html
] All I can say at this point in time is that we
(Torservers/Zwiebelfreunde) will try help to fight any such case. For US
operators, EFF is still waiting for a good court case. So far, nothing
bad has happened in the legal respect.

> The organization must be registered so someone who can see where money
> went is always able to check the registration of the organization which
> is even public.

If you're that worried, you can register your company in
$thirdworldcountry. Someone told me, a company registration in Africa is
around $100.

-- 
Moritz Bartl
https://www.torservers.net/
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