Re: [tor-talk] Tor and Financial Transparency

[Juan Garofalo <juan.g71@xxxxxxxxx>]

At 03:22 PM 8/29/2013 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Juan,
>
>On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Juan Garofalo <juan.g71@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>         You seriously think people are going to believe that?  I mean the
>> bit
>>
>>         "parts of the US and Swedish Governments...want to see strong
>> privacy
>> and anonymity exist on the Internet"
>>
>>
>So, this is perhaps a privilege (or corruption) of perspective, but
>governments are not monolithic. The best description about this is a
>statement by Gen. Hayden, former Dir. of the NSA and CIA:



        The fact that there are power struggles between different government factions doesn't mean government isn't 'monotholitic' for a lot of practical purposes. 

        "Imagine that, the former director of the NSA accusing the former Secretary
of State of working against US interests by promoting anonymity."


        Sorry, but it seems to me that the 'promotion' of 'freedom' that the Tor project allegedly serves in places line china or iran is indeed part of the monolithic agenda of the US military.

        Notice that the US military/government is a police state spying on virtually all of the 'western' world. A 'threat model' that, oh surprise, the Tor network can't handle. 

        


>*?We need to pull the rest of American thinking into this in a relevant
>way.  Secretary Clinton gave two speeches on cyber stuff while she was
>secretary.  And if you?re you know you think of the world as security and
>liberty she broke left literally both times in both of her speeches she
>came down on on cyber freedom.  Society at the same time cyber communities
>out there are trying to crack the nut on anonymity on the net because you
>realize that?s the root of many many dangers out there as cyber communities
>just chugging away at that. The secretary of state is laundering money
>through NGOs to populate software throughout the Arab world to prevent the
>people in the Arab street from being tracked by their government.  Alright
>so on the one hand we?re fighting anonymity on the other hand we?re
>chucking products out there to protect anonymity on the net.?*
>
>http://b.averysmallbird.com/entries/hayden-comments
>
>Imagine that, the former director of the NSA accusing the former Secretary
>of State of working against US interests by promoting anonymity. Even the
>US Government is a large beast with competing interests, some parts are
>bent on security and intelligence, some are just science research oriented,
>and some have a material stake in the Internet privacy.
>
>-- 
>*Collin David Anderson*
>averysmallbird.com | @cda | Washington, D.C.
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