Re: [tor-talk] About time to make BitTorrent work over Tor,

[Nathan Suchy <theusernameiwantistaken@xxxxxxxxx>]

OK. I'll consider i2p.
On Aug 30, 2013 3:21 PM, "grarpamp" <grarpamp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 8/30/13, Jan-Frode Myklebust <janfrode@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Nathan Suchy
> >> >> I don't want this for piracy as I have a paid VPN account that is
> much
> >> >> faster for that if I decide to pirate. I think we need BitTorrent
> >> >> though
> >> >> to
> >> >> work on Tor so Tor Users can securely share files with one another.
>
> >> > AFAIK the most obvious issue with this (among more subtle side-channel
> >> > attack / decloaking problems) is network scalability. Total relay
> >> > bandwidth
> >> > available is, while seemingly increasing in general, very limited
> given
> >> > such use cases. [1]
> >> > How does one scale BitTorrent on top of that?
>
> > By adding TOR exit-node functionality into the bittorrent clients, and
> > giving bittorrent credit score to clients with lots of TOR-traffic. That
> > would scale the TOR network ...
>
> Tor does not currently scale as simply as that. Therefore whatever
> you try to scale on top of Tor will not scale either. All using exits will
> do (roughly speaking) is cause Tor to fail 1/2 as fast as using the
> purely internal approach would. BT is further badly hampered since
> UDP and inbound bindings are unavailable under the current exit model.
>
> Tor's design is generally "move a lot of browsers over a few exits",
> anything else is bonus, at least historically. At the moment, if you're
> trying to move to millions of p2p users, not just hundreds of tinkerers,
> you're better off enhancing Tor first or writing or finding another secure
> transport that scales better. Then moving it all off the clearnet once and
> for all. But that appears to be beyond the typical scope of thinking in the
> BT space, you know, because it's not fast and it's sooo harrrddddd man.
>
> Tor is good stuff, but like anything else, only good when used within
> its model. Supposedly i2p welcomes torrenting. Millions? Ask i2p.
>
> > ... and also give plausible deniability to
> > direct downloads ("wasn't me, it was the TOR exit" ;-)
>
> No, not really.
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